Comments on: Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Health Care http://www.yourct.com/2009/09/life-liberty-and-the-pursuit-of-health-care/ Connecticut Political Commentary, News and Analysis Wed, 25 Jan 2012 04:05:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Peter Egan Jr. http://www.yourct.com/2009/09/life-liberty-and-the-pursuit-of-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-187327 Peter Egan Jr. Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:26:00 +0000 http://www.yourct.com/new/?p=4588#comment-187327 I think the concern of the people of whom you referred to in the post is that government-run healthcare will work about as well as has Social Security. I think the concern of the people of whom you referred to in the post is that government-run healthcare will work about as well as has Social Security.

]]> By: turfgrrl http://www.yourct.com/2009/09/life-liberty-and-the-pursuit-of-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-156576 turfgrrl Sat, 12 Sep 2009 03:13:18 +0000 http://www.yourct.com/new/?p=4588#comment-156576 Wiltonian: I do not to discuss zoning issues here, but to be fair the zoning commission did not "initiate" anything in the hospital or spy v. spy issues. In a broad abstract way, some communities think there is much confusion in the land, starting with Kelo V. New London on whether economic impact should be a criteria for a bunch of things. Wiltonian: I do not to discuss zoning issues here, but to be fair the zoning commission did not "initiate" anything in the hospital or spy v. spy issues. In a broad abstract way, some communities think there is much confusion in the land, starting with Kelo V. New London on whether economic impact should be a criteria for a bunch of things.

]]> By: OldTimer11 http://www.yourct.com/2009/09/life-liberty-and-the-pursuit-of-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-156511 OldTimer11 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:16:20 +0000 http://www.yourct.com/new/?p=4588#comment-156511 Our present system is capable of the best health care in the world. People come from all over the world for treatment not available anywhere else. Most of them have money. People with money and/or good insurance get excellent health care . What makes the numbers look so bad is the level of health care available, or not, to poor people. Our present system is very much driven by capitalism. The folks with the money get the finest care in the world, the rest of us don't.. Our doctors are the highest paid in the world. That is a fact, and that is why people like our president, the late senator Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, and others, have fought so hard through the years to get the system reformed so poor people also get excellent health care. Our present system is capable of the best health care in the world. People come from all over the world for treatment not available anywhere else. Most of them have money. People with money and/or good insurance get excellent health care . What makes the numbers look so bad is the level of health care available, or not, to poor people. Our present system is very much driven by capitalism. The folks with the money get the finest care in the world, the rest of us don't.. Our doctors are the highest paid in the world. That is a fact, and that is why people like our president, the late senator Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, and others, have fought so hard through the years to get the system reformed so poor people also get excellent health care.

]]> By: SecondhandRose http://www.yourct.com/2009/09/life-liberty-and-the-pursuit-of-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-156497 SecondhandRose Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:00:52 +0000 http://www.yourct.com/new/?p=4588#comment-156497 The Senate is right now putting thru a bill that will require MANDATORY health care for all families without it. And people who do not get the mandatory health care will be fined up to $3800. Obama is also going to put a tax on soda so that I can pay for your health care. <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090908/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_overhaul" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090908/ap_on_go_pr_w...</a> The Senate is right now putting thru a bill that will require MANDATORY health care for all families without it. And people who do not get the mandatory health care will be fined up to $3800.

Obama is also going to put a tax on soda so that I can pay for your health care.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090908/ap_on_go_pr_w…

]]> By: sanityinsono http://www.yourct.com/2009/09/life-liberty-and-the-pursuit-of-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-156507 sanityinsono Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:53:42 +0000 http://www.yourct.com/new/?p=4588#comment-156507 Perhaps physicians started ordering the tests because they were concerned about lawsuits, but then they saw they can actually make money by investing in the medical apparatus. This is less about defensive medicine (based on fact not simply opinion, the best way a dr. can insure not having a lawsuit is a good bedside manner) than about Dr.s feeling no compunction financial or otherwise to NOT order a test. Interestingly a while ago I asked (in good faith) if the US has such a great system why do we pay 2 to 3 times more (per capita) than people living in other countries and on average have shorter lives and higher rates of infant mortality. No one ever responded to it. America is great but that doesn't mean we do everything better than everyone else and can't learn anything Perhaps physicians started ordering the tests because they were concerned about lawsuits, but then they saw they can actually make money by investing in the medical apparatus. This is less about defensive medicine (based on fact not simply opinion, the best way a dr. can insure not having a lawsuit is a good bedside manner) than about Dr.s feeling no compunction financial or otherwise to NOT order a test.
Interestingly a while ago I asked (in good faith) if the US has such a great system why do we pay 2 to 3 times more (per capita) than people living in other countries and on average have shorter lives and higher rates of infant mortality. No one ever responded to it. America is great but that doesn't mean we do everything better than everyone else and can't learn anything

]]> By: Wiltonian http://www.yourct.com/2009/09/life-liberty-and-the-pursuit-of-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-156493 Wiltonian Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:37:47 +0000 http://www.yourct.com/new/?p=4588#comment-156493 I agree that the CoN process is anti-competitive to the extreme, and I understand that there is no ability to take an appeal or obtain further review of the decision of the single person that makes the decision for the State. Quite a position of power. However, "deregulation" should also mean that a local zoning commission does not prevent one hospital from providing services merely to "protect" another hospital's perceived exclusive turf. There are far too many restrictions, both official and practical, that limit competition under the guise of ensuring good service. The tension is between those providers that want to get into the game but are precluded from doing so, and those providers that currently CAN provide services who seek to prevent others from doing so. Norwalk Hospital took that position recently against Stamford Hospital, and Stamford Hospital took that position in the past with Norwalk Hospital's cardiac care proposal. The result -- consumers lost. I agree that the CoN process is anti-competitive to the extreme, and I understand that there is no ability to take an appeal or obtain further review of the decision of the single person that makes the decision for the State. Quite a position of power. However, "deregulation" should also mean that a local zoning commission does not prevent one hospital from providing services merely to "protect" another hospital's perceived exclusive turf.

There are far too many restrictions, both official and practical, that limit competition under the guise of ensuring good service. The tension is between those providers that want to get into the game but are precluded from doing so, and those providers that currently CAN provide services who seek to prevent others from doing so. Norwalk Hospital took that position recently against Stamford Hospital, and Stamford Hospital took that position in the past with Norwalk Hospital's cardiac care proposal. The result — consumers lost.

]]> By: SecondhandRose http://www.yourct.com/2009/09/life-liberty-and-the-pursuit-of-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-156477 SecondhandRose Tue, 08 Sep 2009 04:22:40 +0000 http://www.yourct.com/new/?p=4588#comment-156477 Oh, so what you're saying is that a battery of tests to rule out other diseases and illnesses with similar presenting symptoms is completely unnecessary? I didn't realize that you had a medical degree, excuse my temerity. :o Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that someone with your intelligence is claiming that people in this country have never brought a malpractice suit against a doctor that they felt did not order or give a test that could have ruled out an illness or a disease that went on to sicken, injure or kill that person, their spouse, or a family member. I just don't think you could possibly be that dumb. Oh, so what you're saying is that a battery of tests to rule out other diseases and illnesses with similar presenting symptoms is completely unnecessary? I didn't realize that you had a medical degree, excuse my temerity. :o

Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that someone with your intelligence is claiming that people in this country have never brought a malpractice suit against a doctor that they felt did not order or give a test that could have ruled out an illness or a disease that went on to sicken, injure or kill that person, their spouse, or a family member. I just don't think you could possibly be that dumb.

]]> By: turfgrrl http://www.yourct.com/2009/09/life-liberty-and-the-pursuit-of-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-156481 turfgrrl Tue, 08 Sep 2009 01:46:15 +0000 http://www.yourct.com/new/?p=4588#comment-156481 SecondHandRose: I enjoy discussing issues based on facts, science and/or the law. Three attributes that make any discussion interesting or compelling to continue. SecondHandRose: I enjoy discussing issues based on facts, science and/or the law. Three attributes that make any discussion interesting or compelling to continue.

]]> By: turfgrrl http://www.yourct.com/2009/09/life-liberty-and-the-pursuit-of-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-156471 turfgrrl Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:57:22 +0000 http://www.yourct.com/new/?p=4588#comment-156471 jillcooks: The insurance markets being opened up is not a bad idea, but more impactful would be a deregulation of medical procedures, as in who can offer procedural services. A short example, Norwalk Hospital was denied the authorization to offer emergency angioplasty and open heart surgery in 2005 because of proximity to Greenwich and Bridgeport. They recently, as in July performed an emergency angioplasty. The fact that the State could deny a hospital what services it can provide is about as anti-competitive as you get. They process is called Certificate of Need, and <a href="http:\/\/www.ncsl.org\/default.aspx\?tabid=14373" target="_blank">more on the subject is here.</a> jillcooks: The insurance markets being opened up is not a bad idea, but more impactful would be a deregulation of medical procedures, as in who can offer procedural services. A short example, Norwalk Hospital was denied the authorization to offer emergency angioplasty and open heart surgery in 2005 because of proximity to Greenwich and Bridgeport. They recently, as in July performed an emergency angioplasty. The fact that the State could deny a hospital what services it can provide is about as anti-competitive as you get. They process is called Certificate of Need, and more on the subject is here.

]]> By: turfgrrl http://www.yourct.com/2009/09/life-liberty-and-the-pursuit-of-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-156468 turfgrrl Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:48:00 +0000 http://www.yourct.com/new/?p=4588#comment-156468 SeconhandRose: A repeat of talking points without any reference to facts is what you've done. You can claim you meant something else, but it's transparent to me, and hardly worthy of discussing. SeconhandRose: A repeat of talking points without any reference to facts is what you've done. You can claim you meant something else, but it's transparent to me, and hardly worthy of discussing.

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