Interesting, and any time I have gone to Rhode Island it was to look at old houses in Providence and Newport, and the Pawtucket River Valley just north of Providence, which is the birthplace of the industrial revolution in America. It is the oldest toy-making center in country, and is where Hasbro still has its headquarters.
Ct and Norwalk in particular has just as much history and potential.
Eventually Norwalk will be the gateway to New England from the metro NY area, and will maximize its historical attractions way beyond what is happening now.
Secondhand Rose
The LMMM has the potential to be a similar sort of attraction as the beautiful “summer cottages” in Newport. I believe that’s exactly what the board of the LMMM is attempting to accomplish with their renovating and programs. And the same thing COULD be done with the Gallagher estate at Cranbury Park, if a few people with vision and a willingness to work at it for a few years got behind the idea.
Old Timer
There is no argument historic preservation, done right, can be an enormous benefit for a community. It is hard to estimate the true economic benefits, sometimes. We have the Maritime aquarium in the old Norwalk Tank Co building, the condomiums in the old Yankee metal building, City hall in the old Norwalk High school, and a good part of the sono district is restored old buildings converted from prior uses. It usually comes down to dollars and sense. Some historic buildings lend themselves to restoration for new uses, some don’t. Property owners/developers look at the benefits and costs of restoration/preservation and weigh that against the benefits and cost of new construction. The real advocates for preservation mourn the loss of buildings they think should have been saved. The rest of us are happy with what has been saved, and agree a lot has been lost. Some were sacrificed to build the turnpike, some just because the land became so valuable for some other use, owners could not be persuaded to save an old house where they could build big office buildings. We talk about the Gallaher estate, but Mr Gallaher’s business was Clover Mfg. on Main Ave and that building is still being used, even though part was demolished for a CVS drug store. There is a big old building at Carlton Clourt that contains the oldest elevator in Norwalk that was converted to apartments years ago and is visible for a long distance from the sound. The old Farrel estate in Rowayton has been through many uses since it was a private home, once the home of General Mac Arthur. Additions have been built, but the original building has been pretty well preserved.
Anonymous
OK, from what I understand, this is where we can introduce new subjects, right?
I came back yesterday from what should have been a 10-minute visit to the Social Security office – and in fact I was in the office only 10 minutes. BUT – it took me 30 minutes to find a place to park. The cops supervising the area around the building of this new Avalon complex were rude, to put it mildly and basically told me they didn’t care where I parked and if I had a problem “take it up with the federal government”, I was told to move my card or it would be towed from the area behind that bank (can’t remember which one, sort of across from the post office) when there were tons of spaces available, then, giving in to reality I held my nose and my breath and drove down into the dungeon of the parking garage, only to be told 2 different times that I couldn’t park in “that section”, with no helpful offer of exactly where I COULD park!
I still have one more trip to the SS office with one more piece of paperwork = I’m going to make sure I do it on a nice day so I can just WALK. It will probably take less time!
Be Real
Sorry Turf:
This article is a misleading and underwhelming. It measures not newly created wealth, but measures instead the benefits which are derived from the government dollars poured into preservation programs. Of course government credits and preservation dollars will give a small temporary boost to an economy in the form of jobs and material sales etc.. But such spending driven by tax dollars is actually an expense not a form of wealth creation, since the economic boost is driven entirely by taking someone else’s money through taxes. However what is not shown is that the preserved properties are then economically viable in their own right. I have seen no studies to suggest historic preservation sites are making money. To the contrary, nationally historic sites are loosing money and attendance is down. Anyone who thinks that numbers of people are going to make a special trip to Norwalk to stay at a revitalized 93 East Avenue, B&B is delusional. Even the Maritime Aquarium, which is a very attractive preservation site with real entertainment value is struggling. Most preserved sites would fail without continued government and charitable subsidies. I support LMMM and hope it will increase atendance but it will never be self supporting.
So let’s be honest. We can preserve because we respect history and think some preservation enhances our quality of life in a community, but please don’t try to sell the dream that history will be a money maker for our community. Especially a history as nebulous as the connection of 93 East Avenue to Norwalk’s past. We have Mill Hill, which is a very nice site. How much money does that make each year???? We all know the answer is a negative number.
Blocked
Be real labors under a mistaken impression that preservation is about creating “museums” or “tourist attractions” and fails to see the financial value (as described) in “repurposed” older buildings as offices, condos, or other privately held, profit-oriented enterprises. That is (and always was) the only thought for preserbing 03 East Avenue. It was not (and is not) about creating another house museum. Preserationists are realists; public money can help provide an incentive for a private owner to preserve but then what’s preserved needs to stand on its own financially.
Old Timer
Much to my surprise, I find myself agreeing with Blocked. Several of the properties I mentioned earlier are old factory buildings that have been restored and uograded for new uses. Few people remember that a large part of Washington St, where there are now apartments over retail stores was the Marhoffer shirt factory and, on Ann st, where there are now apartment/condominiums, there was a corset factory. Uptown, Clocktower Close condominiums are in the former Yankee metal products factory. In East Norwalk, several buildings that were Crofut & Knapp Hat factory are now repurposed. Crofut & Knapp, better known locally as the C&K, later as Hat Corp of America, was once Norwalk’s largest employer. We all know 93 East is not feasible for restoration/preservation as another house museum. NPT claims to believe it is feasible for restoration/preservation for a different use. The owners disagree. Restoration/preservation may be possible, but is not feasible. Return on investment is just not there. Real numbers on a very simple calculator will drive that final decision.
More BS
# 6 Blocked. You should be a professional moron, I mean, politician. What you said makes no sense at all, bears no truth and amounts to nothing more than a personal attack on # 5 be real. You seem to completely misunderstand the term ” get your hands out of my pocket” while your prissy-nanny organization save an old decrepit building with taxpayer money, for long term economic losses your bad math counts as gains.
anon
#8 your wrong and nasty.
turfgrrl
Well we could belabor the philosophical points of taxation — as in does anyone see the economic benefits of having prisons, staffing libraries, or fire departments — let’s all just self insure and let the free market decide which building burns to the ground.
Or we can take a look at the real data as in — property valuations of preserved historic areas or local job creation for restoration instead of insourcing immigrant labor to build made in china buildings.
Connecticut is losing jobs precisely because our esteemed political leaders can’t figure out how to stimulate local economies with policy and instead focus on appeasing large voting blocks just because they are employed by the no-profit, high growth areas of social services and health care. The real problem here is that while these discussions meander on about tax payer money, everyone is losing sight of the simple math that with less workers actually working in state, then the burden to support the existing state operating budget has to increase, thereby creating the ugly domino effect of plunging property values as people escape to cheaper cost of living environs. The fact is that Connecticut’s population is shrinking, especially in the key demographic of young people.
So i’ll coin it here first, save America, restore local.
anonymous
The article points out a key factor in any preservation effort. When completed, it must be self supporting. Both private investors and the government must demand no less, especially the government. However, government notoriously gives “free” money, expects only short term gains, and does little to measure its long term effectiveness.
Not stated, but certainly understood, preservation efforts are successful because they build upon successful architectural themes. The investment risk should be low as long as the public consumer continues to identify old with good. If not, then “new” uses need to be added to the old architecture.
Of course, let’s not forget safety. As we found out with the redevelopment of Washington Street, the consumer demands safety. It took a long time to achieve the level of security necessary to keep tourist and locals coming back.
Secondhand Rose
Right, #11. Of course it would have helped if the landlords hadn’t continually increased the rents of the many galleries and shops that once existed on Washington Street, forcing the artists and crafters and antiques sellers to move out and a plethora of nightclubs and restaurants to move in. If the businesses weren’t continually changing, the tourism would have remained at the high level it once was.
Anonymous
Adios to the Wasilla Snowbilly! Track suit sales are sure to suffer.