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	<title>Comments on: Future of Norwalk&#8217;s Past:Developing a Master Plan for the Mill Hill Historic Site</title>
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		<title>By: Secondhand Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.yourct.com/2009/06/future-of-norwalks-pastdeveloping-a-master-plan-for-the-mill-hill-historic-site/comment-page-1/#comment-150244</link>
		<dc:creator>Secondhand Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, as a matter of fact I don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, as a matter of fact I don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering your nom de excréments, don&#8217;t you think you&#8217;re being a wee bit hypocritical?</p>
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		<title>By: Secondhand Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.yourct.com/2009/06/future-of-norwalks-pastdeveloping-a-master-plan-for-the-mill-hill-historic-site/comment-page-1/#comment-150195</link>
		<dc:creator>Secondhand Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only &quot;asininity&quot; seen here is your commentary, Anonymous. Whassamatta, afraid to use a screen name because you might become accountable for your remarks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only &#8220;asininity&#8221; seen here is your commentary, Anonymous. Whassamatta, afraid to use a screen name because you might become accountable for your remarks?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering only the first posting is relevant to the thread and #2 started the ball of asininity rolling, maybe you should take a break, unless you&#039;re trying out for the role of Mrs. Greenpeace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering only the first posting is relevant to the thread and #2 started the ball of asininity rolling, maybe you should take a break, unless you&#8217;re trying out for the role of Mrs. Greenpeace.</p>
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		<title>By: Secondhand Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.yourct.com/2009/06/future-of-norwalks-pastdeveloping-a-master-plan-for-the-mill-hill-historic-site/comment-page-1/#comment-150189</link>
		<dc:creator>Secondhand Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d suggest that you go back and read the first two posts, #12, but judging from your commentary they&#039;re over your head anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d suggest that you go back and read the first two posts, #12, but judging from your commentary they&#8217;re over your head anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares about the future of Mill Hill? Let&#039;s revisit ancient disputes over who&#039;s buried where and nurse long-held grudges. While you idiots are riding the misery-go-round, I&#039;ll be at Mill Hill tomorrow to try and suggest some positive ways to help the City improve the gateway to Wall Street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares about the future of Mill Hill? Let&#8217;s revisit ancient disputes over who&#8217;s buried where and nurse long-held grudges. While you idiots are riding the misery-go-round, I&#8217;ll be at Mill Hill tomorrow to try and suggest some positive ways to help the City improve the gateway to Wall Street.</p>
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		<title>By: Secondhand Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.yourct.com/2009/06/future-of-norwalks-pastdeveloping-a-master-plan-for-the-mill-hill-historic-site/comment-page-1/#comment-150170</link>
		<dc:creator>Secondhand Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification, #10.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification, #10.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A number of African Americans are buried at Pine Island, some are at Union, others at Riverside.  If you recall, the Hale listing did not include the person&#039;s race, just the inscription on the stone if one was standing when the study was done.  The only indications of a person&#039;s race was in the death records, which are on file in City Hall.  And the very early records, which are done by either school district or street, often do not indicate race. Once again, may I point out that in the early years, they did not indicate where the deceased were interred, just that they died.   

Many of the former &quot;worker&#039;s&quot; cemeteries were for members of the American socialist party, which did not have the longevity that it expected and the cemeteries were later sold to Jewish groups.  This happened in Fairfield and appears to have happened in Norwalk also.   . The plot map for St. John&#039;s goes right up to the river embankment. The cemetery that you are referring to is not behind St. John&#039;s, but next to it.  There is a cemetery in the front and then Beth Israel of Westport now owns the plot area behind the front one.  There is also a smaller cemetery belonging to the synogogue on East Avenue across the street. 

The real question is where is the almshouse cemetery?  Another Jewish cemetery was also listed in Hale as not being found.  Maybe that&#039;s the one that you are thinking of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A number of African Americans are buried at Pine Island, some are at Union, others at Riverside.  If you recall, the Hale listing did not include the person&#8217;s race, just the inscription on the stone if one was standing when the study was done.  The only indications of a person&#8217;s race was in the death records, which are on file in City Hall.  And the very early records, which are done by either school district or street, often do not indicate race. Once again, may I point out that in the early years, they did not indicate where the deceased were interred, just that they died.   </p>
<p>Many of the former &#8220;worker&#8217;s&#8221; cemeteries were for members of the American socialist party, which did not have the longevity that it expected and the cemeteries were later sold to Jewish groups.  This happened in Fairfield and appears to have happened in Norwalk also.   . The plot map for St. John&#8217;s goes right up to the river embankment. The cemetery that you are referring to is not behind St. John&#8217;s, but next to it.  There is a cemetery in the front and then Beth Israel of Westport now owns the plot area behind the front one.  There is also a smaller cemetery belonging to the synogogue on East Avenue across the street. </p>
<p>The real question is where is the almshouse cemetery?  Another Jewish cemetery was also listed in Hale as not being found.  Maybe that&#8217;s the one that you are thinking of.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Timer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Timer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marking graves with engraved tombstones was expensive.  There are probably a lot of graves that were never marked that way.  Wooden markers were not uncommon, and not long lasting.  The practice of burial on private property was fairly common and included both family and slaves.   Where no permanent stone tombstones were erected, there may not be any sign of a burial plot.  The ones that I have seen,  always seem to be close to the road and the property line.  There is sometimes a stone or two, but most graves were not marked unless the family was wealthy.  The burial plot itself is frequently marked with some enclosure to keep it seperate from the rest of the property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marking graves with engraved tombstones was expensive.  There are probably a lot of graves that were never marked that way.  Wooden markers were not uncommon, and not long lasting.  The practice of burial on private property was fairly common and included both family and slaves.   Where no permanent stone tombstones were erected, there may not be any sign of a burial plot.  The ones that I have seen,  always seem to be close to the road and the property line.  There is sometimes a stone or two, but most graves were not marked unless the family was wealthy.  The burial plot itself is frequently marked with some enclosure to keep it seperate from the rest of the property.</p>
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		<title>By: Secondhand Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Secondhand Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you say is true, #7, but it is also pretty much a fact that no one honestly knows where most of Norwalk&#039;s black population was buried at any given time between 1641 and the present day. There are virtually no black burials recorded in Hale that anyone is aware of, and aside from Onesimus, the only other marked slave grave is the one in the East Norwalk Cemetery, of a slave named Ellen. I&#039;m curious to know where the rest of Norwalk&#039;s black population have been buried; aren&#039;t you? 

And I was also once told by an elderly Jewish gentleman who has since died that there was a Jewish workers&#039; cemetery that once existed behind St. John Cemetery on Riverside Avenue, but that the records have been completely lost and the land used in the present as different Jewish cemetery, so that no one really knows whether the previous workers&#039; cemetery ever really existed at all. I think it would be exicting to find out whether that workers&#039; cemetery rumor is true as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you say is true, #7, but it is also pretty much a fact that no one honestly knows where most of Norwalk&#8217;s black population was buried at any given time between 1641 and the present day. There are virtually no black burials recorded in Hale that anyone is aware of, and aside from Onesimus, the only other marked slave grave is the one in the East Norwalk Cemetery, of a slave named Ellen. I&#8217;m curious to know where the rest of Norwalk&#8217;s black population have been buried; aren&#8217;t you? </p>
<p>And I was also once told by an elderly Jewish gentleman who has since died that there was a Jewish workers&#8217; cemetery that once existed behind St. John Cemetery on Riverside Avenue, but that the records have been completely lost and the land used in the present as different Jewish cemetery, so that no one really knows whether the previous workers&#8217; cemetery ever really existed at all. I think it would be exicting to find out whether that workers&#8217; cemetery rumor is true as well.</p>
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