Obama And Lieberman

The blog world is abuzz with the “woodshed” meeting between Harry Reid and Joe Lieberman. Lefty anti-Liebermanites are giddy with the prospect that Lieberman could be not only stripped of his chairman position on the Homeland Security committee, but also kicked out of the Democratic caucuss. Locally, Brian Lockhart even went so far as to reach into the back closet of Democratic campaigns past, and dusted off the lint of empty suit, Ned Lamont, to get some perspective on the issue in a recent Advocate article.

The result of the Lieberman Reid meeting has left Lieberman reviewing his “options.” Much of the fury over Lieberman’s recent tilt to the GOP is a direct result of the public pillory, set up by crazed anti-war zealots. Enough is enough. Let’s see what Obama has had to say about going after fellow senators:

“We have a tendency to demonize and jump on and make mockery of each other across the aisle, and that is particularly pronounced when we make mistakes. Each and every one of us is going to make a mistake once in a while…and what we hope is that our track record of service, the scope of how we’ve operated and interacted with people, will override whatever particular mistake we make.”

Obama said this in 2006, shortly after he came to Connecticut to speak at the JJB, and defended his Senate mentor, Joe Lieberman. He wasn’t referring to Lieberman then, the 2006 campaign for Senate hadn’t kicked into a frenzy of Lieberman bashing. He was speaking about Illinois senior Senator Dick Durbin, who was pilloried on the Senate floor for likening  Guantánamo to  a Nazi or Stalin-era concentration camp. Durbin is the Senate assistant majority leader to Reid.

Lieberman, unlike many of the anti-Lieberman forces, has a long history of support for the civil rights movement. And that support didn’t come from political expedience, as this 2000 NYTimes article reveals:

And yet some of those same black leaders also question how someone who marched with Dr. King and risked a trip to Mississippi could have later questioned the viability of affirmative action and supported a voucher experiment that black leaders broadly oppose.

Indeed, when Mr. Lieberman said in 1995 that he could no longer defend policies that were ”based on group preference instead of individual merit,” Mr. Bond wrote a scathing rebuke for the op-ed page of The Hartford Courant.

”Perhaps Senator Joseph I. Lieberman has forgotten that trip south three decades ago,” wrote Mr. Bond, himself a civil rights leader who now teaches the history of the movement. ”Perhaps he believes 32 years is long enough to overcome a 300-year-old system of inequality.”

That critique stung, Mr. Lieberman said. ”It was the first time in my life that I recall, certainly the first significant time,” he said, ”when people I respected, like Julian Bond, but also just generally the civil rights community, was on the other side from me.”

Since joining Mr. Gore’s ticket, Mr. Lieberman has said he now supports affirmative action. He plays down the rather explicit opposition he expressed in 1995, saying it must be viewed through the prism of a Supreme Court decision that prompted a national re-examination of the issue that year.

”I raised some questions,” he said, ”and perhaps, as has been my tendency, thought out loud more than some public figures do.”

Obama, when elected to the Senate, in 2005 selected Lieberman as his Senate mentor. It’ll be interesting to see what options are really on the table, and if Lieberman can stop flaming the fires nipping at his self inflicted burning at the idealogue stake. There’s much to be said for stamping out the voices that keep those flames a burning. The French Revolution gave way to the Reign of Terror precisely because those that set the bar for idealogical purity couldn’t stop. Lieberman might want to review that bit of history as part of his options.

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  • Anonymous

    Senator Lieberman has no reason to expect the benefits of membership in the Democratic Party or its caucus because he has worked in direct opposition to the party’s interests. He ran as an independent after failing to win the party’s nomination in his most recent election, but the party (for pragmatic, not idealistic, reasons) allowed him to retain his chairmanship of his committee, and it allowed him to continue to caucus with the Democrats. His “in your faces” support of John McCain (literally, since Lieberman’s smiling face was so often seen directly behind McCain when the latter spoke) was the act that divorced him from the Democratic Party; he did it himself and he should have sufficient character to make that divorce official by resigning from party membership.

  • Old Timer

    If he was elected, or re-elected, as an independent, then he is entitled to be an independent. Being an independent, in the Senate, is a lonely place to be. Because he sided with his former party most of the time, he wasn’t really independent.. Now that his vote is less essential to the Democrats, they may decide to cut him loose, (really independent), or tell him to select one major party and be a real part of it.
    What did he expect, backing a republican candidate ?

  • Anonymous

    But Joe wanted to have the best of both worlds. He wanted the benefits of belonging to the majority party’s caucus, and he wanted to back someone he thought would win the presidency, even though that person belongs to a different party. Had the Republicans won the majority of seats in the Senate, he would have bailed out of the Democratic caucus in a heartbeat.

  • MrBozak

    Pitchforks and torches for Joe Blow!

  • Anonymous

    Coupla Senate seats still up in the air. Let’s hope they don’t get stolen by the GOP so Reid can give Vinegar Joe the finger.

  • Anonymous

    Lieberman is center. He’s just like Obama in many respects with human rights issues, which I wish they werent as conservative on certain social issues. It’s hard to choose a candidate when you are socially liberal on human rights and conservative on taxes and socialistic policies. Independent is a lonely existence in most of the country. I think Vermint has the most independents percentage wise.

  • Anonymous

    Poor Joe now he is looking for a home,he was sent packing today.He sold out the people of Ct what else is there to say.

    See Ya!

  • Old Timer

    Late news is saying Leiberman is going to join the republican caucus, but I think they are speculating. Neither Leiberman nor the Republicans have said anything for the record, yet.

  • PUBS TAKE JOE OK?

    Joe is a guy who did what he thought was right. He did not follow the party ideology like a lemming. He is a good hearted decent truthful man. That is something that the new Democratic leadership is not looking for. Joe will win another election as an Independent, so let him caucus with the Republicans. If Dems throw him under the bus that is one more vote stronger the Republicans will be in the senate. That one vote could make the Dem’s kick themselves in the ass for mistreating a man like Lieberman. Right now the Dem’s think the world is their playground, but there are a lot of hidden land mines buried all over that playground and they will step on many of them.

    Take Obama’s first pick of RAM Emanuel. He is about as partisan as Osama bin Laden. I guarantee his nasty way with people will wear thin very quickly, especially when he starts to get his head handed back to him by some Republican hot heads and a few bipartisan Dem’s. The shine has not come off the rose yet, but it will. Joe will start looking better every day after January Th 2009

    The Dem’s should remember that;

    “The toes that you step on getting to the top will be attached to the ass’s you will have to kiss on your way down.”

  • Anonymous

    Joe should remember that “The doors that were open to you on your way up may very well be the ones that hit you in the ass on your way out.”

  • anonymous

    How do you feel he sold out the people of CT? The people of CT elected him knowing he was running as an independent. I would say that he did not sell out the people. It would have been a sellout to the Democratic party if he decided not to run and sacrifice the person that the people really wanted and force them to vote for either major party candidate that the people of CT didn’t really want.

  • Anonymous

    He campaigned for McCain. The people of CT elected Obama. Simple enough for you?

  • PEOPLE OF CT WANTED HIM . PERIOD

    Were not stupid, they realized what the Dem’s were trying to do to Joe Lieberman. They knew he did not tow the party line like a hobnail booted zombie. He would have won if he ran on the Green Party ticket.

    The Dems are pissed because he outsmarted and out played them at their own game, and now they want payback for making them look like fools. In doing what they are doing to him they are looking like even bigger fools. The guy ran for VP for the Dem’s and now they want to push him into an oven.

    NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

  • Anonymous

    Vinegar Joe is two-faced and serves whatever benefits him, not his party or constituents.

  • Anonymous

    #13: That “oven” reference was extremely offensive. Are you trying to turn this discussion into something that it isn’t?

  • Anonymous

    #15-thats not a discussion anyone should have and #13, poor poor choice of words and you really should think before typing.

  • anonymous

    Trust me, I am no Joe Lieberman fan. He is way to free spending with our tax dollars on social issues, but I respect the man’s independence. The fact that he was elected without the endorsement of either party meant that he was morein touch with the spirit of the citizens than either major party candidate. This is the problem with the two party system. There is little room for independent thought on the part of our elected officials.

  • Crabby

    The Democrat Party left Joe when they went with Ned Lamont. Joe ran as an Independent and was elected. God Bless him for following his conscience, I know that’s why I voted for him.

  • Old Timer

    Joe has served us well for years. He has crossed the aisle many times to get things done and we have been pleased with the results, mostly.
    That said, supporting a Republican candidate as visibly as Joe did this time carried certain risks and he knew it. If McCain had won, Joe would have shared in that win. McCain lost. Joe is a big boy and knew exactly what he was doing. He did not expect to become the Democratic party’s new poster boy. He won’t. He won’t be taken out and shot, either. In our system, he will loose a little stature, for a while. He will survive and continue to do what he can for the people that elected him (that’s us, folks).

  • sono resident

    Joe comes off as incredibly narcissistic. Perhaps it reached a head in 2000 when he reached his pinnacle but especially since he seems to feel that he’s something special. The reality of the 2004 attempt to gain the nomination was one major step, but the 2006 primary was the height of arrogance. If he started as an independent I’d give him a lot of credit but what he did was expect the Democratic brass to support him whether he won or lost the primary. He thought he was more important than the rules or the party. Who was Chris Dodd supposed to support, the Democratic nominee in a fiercely fought primary or the loser? He supported Lieberman up to the primary vote, but Joe’s feelings were hurt. Joe ended up winning (as opposed to the Republican candidate) because the Republican’s ran a strawman, they never supported him and essentially pushed all their support to Lieberman. This was easy because few Republicans took much interest in the primary.
    Joe lucked out that the 2006 Dem’s needed him, but after the Convention and the nasty Republican campaign against Obama, what can he expect. Joe burned one to many bridges, sadly he thinks all those bridges should be named for him.

  • SteVe

    Anon #5, GOP steal those contested senate seats? In Minnesota, votes keep magically turning up for Franken, but none for Coleman. Seems odd. Also, what is the GOP version of Acorn for registering non-existent voters? John Fund wrote a book “Stealing Elections” about this type of fraud.

  • #21 FRANKENSLIME

    John Fund only needs ONE VOTE more then Franken. Franken is a VINDICTIVE HATEFUL SCUMBAG. I think the people of Minnesota deserve him just to teach them a lesson in stupidity, by throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

  • JOE GOES ON

    I bet that Lieberman will still be around long after the Obama Presidency is history.

  • Old Timer

    Joe is no kid, he could decide to retire, but, if he doesn’t he will be around a long while. He will survive and get back whatever stature he loses temporarily. He has a mentoring relationship with Obama that will be some help.

  • anonymous

    I think that “mentoring” relationship ended when Joe started carrying McCain’s coat during the campaign. I don’t think the republicans think too highly of Joe either. If he switches parties, then he should do the right thing and resign and run as a republican.

  • Anonymous

    He wouldn’t be a good Republican either. He wants to do his own thing, so let him be a true independent.

  • START HORDING GAS?

    The Obama spokesman just mentioned that when President Obama takes office he might reverse Bush’s drilling OK in Utah. He will reverse the drilling permits by Executive Order. If this happens we can see that he will be towing the liberal line to the T. Even if it means that gas will go back up to 4-7 dollars a gallon as oil is raised to $200 a barrel. This would be another nail in the middle class’s coffin. I can only hope he thinks about us before he cow tows to the liberal Environmental “use rickshaws” wing of the party. You can’t say things like this without the Mid East, South American and Russian Oil Cartels getting a sparkle in their eyes, and a smile on their faces. One can only hope that his spokesman was making a speculation and that President Obama has more sense.