Budget Woes In Norwalk

Revenue shortfalls are the main worry in Norwalk setting in motion a series of operating budget cuts that are perplexing. In context, Stamford and Bridgeport are struggling with the same issue, and arriving at the same conclusions. Overtime, the pricey labor side of budgets has to be trimmed back if not eliminated. And it is overtime, that is behind the bizarre recommendation out of DPW, that has leaf removal and Saturday leaf, or as the DPW-speak puts it, yard waste drop off eliminated. The problem though is the timing. The cut backs are effective November 15. A glance out the window shows plenty of trees with green leaves still on them, and no shortage of leaves on the ground.

Leaves, branches and other decaying matter, left to the the whimsof weather, will make their way into the storm water drainage catch basins, some with filters, and likely end up clogging the system that the City just spent some engineering time, unglogging. And if, because you’d need a perfect storm to kick this scenario into motion, if the system gets clogged, well then there’s a whole lot of emergency Will Robinson overtime kicking in.

But on paper, well there’s your DPW $529,469, trimmed from the budget there. With the added future forecast of no overtime on snow removal. Yeah right, if the streets remain unplowed over non snow removal budgetary constraints, people will rise up and throw election day snowballs. So either the snow removal trim back is a fantasy number, or things are set in motion for one bad snow storm to create a public relations storm of another kind.

Budget cuts are inevitable, but the flip side of cuts is increasing revenue. Which doesn’t have to be taxes. DPW, under the ordiances can fine property owners for obstructed sidewalks. Whether it be snow or other detrius. There are plenty of $25/day fines that the City could be collecting if it would actually enforce the ordinances we have on the books. Likewise, the ordinance that says garbage must be placed upon curbs in sealed containers. Let’s see some actual revenue making enforcement out of DPW and maybe see less of the impact on city services.

There’s another aspect of cost savings that was not mentioned in the news reports, but I know the Mayor has been encouraging for a few years. The issue of conserving energy by utilizing rooms at city hall less often, or sized more appropriately for the number of participants. It has been the Mayor’s suggestion that the council chambers be used only for large meetings. Naturally there has been some grumbling about that. As well as requests for fees to use rooms by organizations who they themselves struggle with operating costs.

Maybe its time to look at the whole picture of meetings, governmental and non, to determine the best time to schedule based on operating costs instead of tradition. Energy costs, whether electricity or heat, are a big chunk of the budget.  It can be as simple as taking the stairs at City Hall on your next visit, instead of automatically taking the elevator.

The Common Council should be looking at these budget cuts as well. They are the funding arm of Norwalk’s government. They should be contributing to the budgetery discussion, at the very least, paying more attention to budget requests as they happen. It’s too bad that many council members got caught up in the emotional deabte about garbage on meadow street instead of focusing on reducing trash hauling fees for the city over all. On January 1st, there will be garbage trucks delivering waste to be transfered somewhere else. It is a commercial operation that has been and will continue to operate. The added cost of that council decision is now going to be felt. And the people who thought they had “stopped” garbage from going to Meadow street will discover that they stopped nothing, but it looks like leaf removal this fall.

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  • just some ideas

    The national unemployment rate is at an all time high right now at 6.5%, there will be many more layoffs and many more belts tightened. Perhaps the Mayor should look into the closing City Hall on a Monday or Friday 1-2 times a month. Many large corporations are doing this. Fridays being the best. They should look at the cost savings on that end. Then the council, the BET and the finance dept need to really scrutinize the BOE budget for waste upon waste upon waste. We do not need vice principals in all the elementary and middle schools and in some cases more than one. In an age of technology there should be very little need for over extended postage bills and I amsure that if they go over it they will find so many more ways to cut the budget without cutting services. DO NOT CUT “sports, or any other much needed programs that give a child a well rounded education” cut the garbage and the fluff. The BOE budget takes up close to 80% I think the figure was of the overall budget. But I still think that city hall should close down at least 1-2 days a month to cut down on overhead costs. Imagine what the savings would be if there are no lights, there are no elevators, there are no computers running for at least 2 days out of each month. and how about dimming the lights on broadway. Why do we need so many lights all night long on places where there is no businesses operating? how about every other light? How about looking into ways to save energy and still run the city in the black? What we cannot do is cut our police and firefighters. This would be detrimental to the entire city.

  • Anonymous

    Its great isn’t it? Those who always got won’t get,those who got little or nothing are use to it.Its almost like who will be standing after next city election.Its a game us poor folk are used to.But wait didn’t we just win one round this week?Sit back and enjoy there is more to come.

    yes bad bad council members lets bring them our leaves any idea where Brown lives?

  • anon

    Before you do something that affects many, like cutting back on open hours at Town Hall, close or privatize a function that benefits few like, let’s say, the Norwalk Museum which seems to operate mostly for the benefit of its less than stellar employee.

  • Barnstorm

    DPW just spent the better part of a day grinding a stump at the end of my street. 3-4 workers dealing with a stump that wasn’t doing anyone any harm.

    What about all the police standing in the road doing traffic enforcement at construction sites? Is that paid by the city as OT or by the company doing the digging? (I’m not accusing here, but simply asking out of curiosity)

    Heck, the city could pay for leaf removal simply by enforcing the cell phone law. I still see folks driving around yakking, with the biggest offenders the cops themselves.

    My point is we serve nobody’s interests by getting our collective shorts in a knot and crying CUT CUT CUT. We need to manage our resources better (smarter) and cut the waste that is all too frequently overlooked. Saying we need to eliminate overtime is simplistic and not particularly realistic.We’ve got too many agencies now that are cut way past the bone, and in many cases not enough warm bodies to fill needed positions. Extrapolated further,if we continue I would imagine it would soon affect our bond rating and then we’d really be in trouble. All those years of overlooking our infrastructure are now coming home to roost.
    Our Mayor and council have their work cut out for them. The BOE needs financial leadership in order to eliminate bureaucracy & waste, with the savings used elsewhere in the city where desperately needed.
    Our biggest obstacle is our own continued complacency.

  • Old Timer

    There were no real savings in that Meadow St regional plan. There won’t be any big change there after Jan 1st. They can only handle what they were permitted for, and are now handling. The idea was to prevent a huge increase, not put the transfer station out of business. The proposal called for a new permit, taken out by the City, for many times more garbage, and a rent paid by the City of five million over ten years, putting the City in the garbage business, with hopes of getting garbage from other towns. If those towns made other arrangements, the City still had to pay the rent.
    DPW overtime is being cut ? Are they also cutting snowfalls ? The police department overtime is being cut. They don’t tell you that most of that overtime goes to fill vacant patrol positions. There will be less cops on patrol.
    The Mayor thinks the DPW and the Police budgets have the most fat, and the City has no power to cut the BOE budget ?
    If the City does not have the money and budgets must be cut, why not just announce an across the board cut, including the BOE, of the percentage they are short ? The City cannot legally tell the BOE how to spend the money, but it certainly can set the amount.

  • anon

    The companies pay both the police and the city for the cops standing in the road. City makes a ton of money off that. Maybe the city should make an ordinance requiring police at every job site like Stamford does. City would collect even more fees doing that. Legislators need to make school board budgets get voter approval like they do in New York.

  • Anon

    Old Timer: You are totally misinformed about the previous Meadow Street proposal. Go back to the actual record – your “facts” are incorrect on many levels.

  • turfgrrl

    Old Timer: You are incorrect on the budget savings. The amount that was budgeted for in the 08/09 operating budget assumed the lower cost for the plan put forth by DPW that did not get approved. Thus there is a $400k+ shortfall in operating costs based on the cost of the contract they did sign. The council will have to authorize that increase to the DPW to pay for garbage, just as I wrote about last summer.

    Further, the permit for solid waste at Meadow street is for 500 tons. Waste Management only processed 250, for reasons I can’t remember the detail but it was based on the City contract. Garbage trucks, will be going to Meadow street because that station has been built out to bale garbage.

  • Old Timer

    My facts are accurate, you were deliberately misinformed. The reason is simple, permit allows only 250 tons of garbage. Permit is for 500 tons total, 250 garbage, 250 demolition waste. Waste Management Co. sold that property a year and a half ago, with an expired permit.
    The budget number was a hopeful projection. It ASSUMED the City would get a permit for 1200 tons a day, pay rent for the Meadow St transfer station, close Crescent St, and make enough money from other towns’ garbage to offset the higher cost, maybe make a little profit. City met with DEP about getting a 1200 tons a day permit for a regional operation before they approached the council.

  • turfgrrl

    Old Timer: I reviewed the same documents the Council reviewed and also understand that DEP permit renewal process. You are being inaccurate.

  • Anonymous

    City hall is used all this weekend long at night for what?Important city business? Thats a big place to heat and keep lit all night isn’t it?

    One would think the shortfall is going to grow,Hal has always been bad with the numbers.

    #6 if your relative is an inspector on the DPW you don’t have to have a police officer doing traffic,this was pointed out this week,details were sent out in the weekly newsletter.The company is located on Platt st here in Norwalk.

    let them do what they want on meadow st,Norwalk isn’t responsible for any cleanup that may go with expansion or oversight now that they were cut out of the deal.I feel as a taxpayer it was worth the 400k.Anyone ever see a cleeanup bill on land contaminated? 400k is chump change ask any chimp that tried selling that idea to us taxpayers.

  • Anonymous

    The police department chopped $469,602 from its budget. It is shifting police officers around, and reducing the community policing unit from six officers to four. The two officers will return to a patrol unit.

  • R WE STILL GOING TO

    Float bonds for the 95/7 Project?

    Not even a laughable idea now.

  • anonymous

    Interesting that they still have a community police unit. The concept is usually to use the unit as a start-up and gradually make the entire patrol department “community police”

  • Anonymous

    Does anyone know what they are building at the corner of cross st and Belden Ave?

  • Old Timer

    TG: Correct me where you think I am mistaken. Don’t just tell me I am wrong. You, and a lot of us, were badly misinformed.

  • Anonymous

    increased the recommended appropriation for the Redevelopment Agency’s Urban
    Connectivity Project from $100,000 to $250,000. This project is a vital component to linking the various development projects along Norwalk’s urban corridor.

    There are plenty more to post but why do that it would cloud the issue.

    wasn’t there a whole lot of money taken from a traffic calming account and spent on crap we may not need for years if 95/7 is delayed? I thought it was $500,000 not chump change when we are losing city wide protetction.

    Mention the filters you open up another $500,000 project fiasco that has been ignored to the point of lunacy.They were to have been replaced years ago now we have hazardous waste sitting in the drains that have been compacted yet no plans for disposal.Even the experts said the data was not acceptable from the DPW that supported progress.The subject left the radar when Moccia was taking this project to the mayors conference and was to be challenged.then the sewage spill into the harbour a big clusterf@ck for the city. Even the EPA has stepped away from the filters once it became obvious money was needed to maintain this project and Norwalk had no intention to pursue it.Yet it was used for a election tool and we all watched the bandwagon fill,as the band played on.The Titanic effect once more in the city of Norwalk.

    Yes Old Timer misinformation was and has been used for years.

    #14 your also right only good thing was in the news today,there is a good chance Bratton may be in line for the white house,maybe he can send some help its not going to come from Norwalk in the very near future we can all see that.

    Odd how it was $469,602 and two officers mentioned more to come I suppose

    Now lets hear they will close a fire station maybe the South Norwalk one that was the rumor from firefighters today,how ironic South Norwalk will be punished for meadow st.Like we all knew it was coming.

    Now lets hear about morale it sucks right now accross the board yet no one has said anything about it.Our police and fire didn’t deserve this before the weekend and not have the right to be heard they is anyone have legit thoughts on what Moccia has done.The rest of us can only guesss.

    Meanwhile is the city going to survive with bad ass attitudes?

    “as the band plays on”

  • Norwalker

    Anon 15
    Avalon Bay is building two apartment buildings on the corner of Cross & Belden.

  • Old Timer

    If Moccia, and Hamilton, know how much we need to cut budgets, why not figure out the percentage and cut across-the-board. Let the department heads and the superintendent figure out how best to cut their budgets with the least affect on services. I’m sure the police Chief or the Fire Chief or Hal Alvord or Sal Corda know exactly where there is fat that can be trimmed. Wonder why the Mayor didn’t come up with the percentage of the City Budget that needs to be trimmed ?

  • Anonymous

    Can’t accuse South Norwalk naysayers with a percentage,numbers have a better impact.

    This was all double talk as in a hiring freeze,have the 40 police officers retiring been put on hold as well?I’m sure they will stick around until the economy gets better.

    The mayor won’t have a police dept left if he has his way.

  • Old Timer

    TG:
    If you know facts I got wrong, please let us all know what they are. Until you do, if you can, I stand by what I already posted about the Meadow St Transfer station.
    There were no big savings guaranteed in that proposal. There was a possibility for the City to make money if it operated a regional transfer station, if enough other towns sent us their garbage, if we closed Crescent St, if we got all the construction/demolition waste from around the region, and if both the other private transfer stations in town went out of business. There was also a possibility for the City to end up paying all that rent on top of the fees for each ton of solid waste and lose money.
    The only people who could not lose were City Carting Co.

  • Educator

    There’s been an effort to trim $$$ with the Board of Education, but if you know Corda, a mule would be more compliant.

    Items to trim from the Board of Ed.: We all could say this loud and clear – the elementary school assistant principals. That’s #1.

    #2: Elementary school Crisis intervention Aides. Give this business BACK to the Principal. End of story.

    #3: Get the administrators who sit up at Central Office to come and substitute in the classrooms when the teachers are out sick. These people are already “working”, so get them to the classrooms and you’ve already cut expenses once again by not needing to get subs for the classrooms.

    #4: Ralph Sloan did NOT need an assistant superintendant. Why does Corda? (Don’t answer that one…….)

    Why could teachers think of these things, yet they don’t get done? At least try it for a year. The money saved would be more than a million.

    I rest my case. Put the $$$ back in the classoom for teachers. They’re the ones who need it. No – it’s for the children, for our future, folks.

  • turfgrrl

    OldTimer: Simply, its 500 tons. The operating budget of 08/09 budgeted for the lower rate from January through July 09. Thus the council will have to add funds to cover the shortfall of $400k. The 08/09 budget had CRRA charge est. to be $77.5/ton x 23,000 tons; surcharge $8/ton x 67,000 tons per approved agreement for a total of $2,284,000.

    You persist in saying that the proposal required Meadow Street to be a regional transfer station. It did not. I refer you to the committee meeting discussing this.

    The powerpoint for the proposal is here.

  • Anonymous

    What about all the rumors about what the real plans that went with the transfer station and Lajoies were?

    Why did the EPA step in and take notice of what was going on? Why has the EPA opened a file on both the transfer station and lajoies?

    Lets be glad the city has nothing to do with the transfer station for the moment.It may of cost us much more than the 400k.Be interesting to see if the figures were wrong as well.We are dealing with politicians and dept heads that honestly are sometimes out of their element.

    What was really at stake,when Hal passed around an agreement with Fred and said we don’t have a lot of time to think about it just sign it.That meeting should of been televised for the entire city to watch and observe how major decisions are made in Norwalk.It was sad to say the least.But the committee held its ground and watched Hal become nasty like a child that was just told NO.

    Our budget woes did not start with the transfer station,most of us realize this.This is all a red herring when other issues that have cost the city money have not been listed have they?

    makes you wonder whats next? What else is going to be cut?What else can we blame it on?

    “as the band plays on”

  • Old Timer

    TG:
    Simply, the expired Waste Management Company permit, which is still the only permit for Meadow St, allows 500 tons a day, but only 250 garbage.
    The linked committee meeting discussed Garbage coming from other towns because it was in City Carting’s proposal. At the council meeting where he first showed the Power Point presentation, Alvord said the City would take a permit for Meadow St, and raise the permit to 1200 tons a day(never made clear how much garbage that would allow), The ten year lease for the Meadow St transfer station, was discussed at the committee meeting, without an amount, and some people on the committee felt it was OK and moved to forward it to the council.
    The combined cost of the lease, and the per/ton fee to City Carting did not add up to any savings for the City. Alvord anticpated expanded recycling revenue and anticipated revenue for tipping fees (accepting garbage from out-of-town) at Meadow St. He also anticipated revenue from taking all the construction/demolition waste from the region, assuming no competition from the other two local solid waste transfer stations. If all that anticipated revenue came in, as projected, the City could possibly net a savings over the plan that was adopted.
    It should be noted that Alvord gave traffic study numbers to the committee meeting and only later had a traffic study done for a 2nd, or 3rd, Council meeting dealing with the Meadow St plan. He also refused, several times, to divulge the cost of the lease.
    The 08-09 budget number you refer to ASSUMED no change in rates for Jan through June of 09, although it was well know, many years ago, the existing contract expired in Dec 08. That was a very unlikely, risky, assumption. When they figured that out, the administration water-carriers were quick to try to blame it on the people who opposed an expanded use of Meadow St, rather than on the guy who made it.
    We can agree it will cost more next year to get rid of garbage, we will probably never agree on all the reasons. A year ago, any of us would have predicted it would cost more after the long term contract expired.

  • Anonymous

    Typical Mayor Moccia crap, decides word of mouth to tell council members.If you can’t give enough respect to simply tell your council members the truth little own even consult them you have a spineless leader who deserves nothing less than his hat next election.What is even more discouraging some are still finding out.So when does the South Norwalk fire station close?When does the police department have a complete meltdown morale is so friggin bad?

    Since Moccia’s decision overtime for the highway department has been through the roof where contractors for the city have left job sites without traffic oversight and left job sites on public roads dangerous where accidents have transpired and supervisors have been called out on overtime to correct dangerous situations.

    I just hope no one dies over Moccia’s antics,every other city has cit back and met the challenge head on,back stabbing does not work for a city this size.

    as the band plays on

  • Anonymous

    what about the offiers who retire(40) police officers? he said no layoffs no overtime what do you think runs these departments?Manpower and overtime.

  • Anonymous

    The Advocate reports on the police dept and its plans to save money today.Doesn’t clearly show improved coverage just a lot of double talk on the facts.

  • Anonymous

    Here is how we get some services back,maybe Norwalk should start listening to what the experts are saying about trash, I could wait two weeks for a pickup instead of two buckets I put out four for 26 weeks a year.

    from the yahoo news site on trash,trucks that collect recycling burn more energy and produce more pollution than recycling saves.
    Collecting recyclables isn’t cheap—it eats up about 50 to 60 percent of the budget of a typical curbside recycling program, according to Lori Scozzafava of the Solid Waste Association of North America. And the trucks burn gas and emit pollution as they go. That said, “You’re going to collect waste one way or another,” points out Jeff Morris, a Washington-based environmental consultant. A recycling program should allow garbage collection to become less frequent (or to use fewer trucks), offsetting the cost and energy involved. Plus, new truck designs can collect both recycling and garbage (at different times), avoiding the huge capital expense of an extra fleet. They can also self-dump specially designed bins, saving time and manpower.

  • Old Timer

    Correction for the last sentence at #25
    A year ago, any of us would have predicted it would cost more after the long term contract expired
    correct to read
    A year ago, any of us, except Mr Alvord or Mr Hamilton, would have predicted it would cost more after the long term contract expired

  • Anonymous

    The city is considering charging residents $20 for a two-year residency sticker. The sticker is now free for residents and allows them to park at Calf Pasture Beach, Veterans Park and the area near the pavilion in Cranbury Park.

    Figures The Advocate has time and space to print the article.Lets close down city hall at night and weekends.Lights and heat was on most of the weekend with a nearly empty parking lot.

    Whats next?

    “as the band plays on”

  • turfgrrl

    It’s about time that the City of Norwalk charged something on the beach stickers. They cost money to print and mail, and I have no problem paying for something that I use as long as the payment is towards that usage or cost recovery. The parks have never looked better.

  • Re Turfgrrl

    We are among the few towns in Connecticut with beach front on LI Sound that does not charge for beach/park stickers. Even Bridgeport residents can come up with a fee. The Free Lunch is over folks. Everyone wants to see their property taxes don’t get raised but when It costs $40 grand to administer FREE BEACH STICKERS, that is a big loss to the city and especially the P & C. Everyone wants to see cuts and increased income to the city, UNLESS IT IS THEIR OX THAT IS GETTING GORED.

    I have been paying to get into Sherwood Island for ages, so I see no problem paying for the right to enter some of the best beaches and parks in Connecticut, found right here in Norwalk.

    The council had realize that there are about 86,000 people who live in Norwalk, so if even 400 complain, that is less than 1/2 of 1 %. On the other hand there are people who would complain if you gave them a bar of gold, because you didn’t give them a Stew Lenard’s plastic bag to carry it home in.

  • Anonymous

    yep Vets park is ideal if you have a boat when it rains or high tide is above 7 feet.The season was over a month ago to enjoy that park.

    If 200 people use city hall the other 85,800 can pay for the lights and the heat.Now that happens all the time.

    Connecticut is a state with a diversified landscape that includes rolling hills, nearly 4,000 lakes and ponds, nearly 10,000 miles of rivers and streams, and more than 200 miles of coastline along Long Island Sound. The mission of the Dep is to protect these natural features through programs that improve air quality, restore and protect waterways and the habitats they support. So with a Ct sticker the average cost of 4 trips to Sherwood pays for the year plus a sticker to 100s of places.Maybe we could get the DEP to take over Calf Pasture it may look better and restoration would be better applied.

    Bridgeport also picks up leaves yet They do charge to get in during the summer. Seasonal Passes are $5 for residents and $30 for nonresidents.See they work with their residents.

    I thought the same sticker for the parks got you into the landfill,another fee coming kids?

    So lets look at what we are have been spending our money on and maybe stop some projects that are not going to have any cost recovery.Now there is a list that goes back a couple of years,we all know where some of our money has been spent foolishly.

    Now has the parks and rec talked about the concession stand at vets park and the one at Calf pasture beach?Seems there are some rumors about some hard feelings there that will also be a subject to discuss soon and the profits from each.Who does profit from the stand at Vets park?

    Odd how the public only gets half the stories on such subjects when profit for others are involved.

    I’m all for making it harder for people in our city to be able to enjoy such treasures whats $20 dollars now if that is going to be the only rise in cost for others who live here.

    We have seen the hands out of others for some outlandish projects and studies that honestly have done very little to nothing for the mainstream Norwalker.

    The cost of mailing and printing,would it kill anyone to actually go to city hall and pick up their sticker.seems like we will now have stickers for everything now.Too bad we didn’t think ahead and have those stickers printed in some of those brochures the city had made up with federal funds I never saw.

    complaining or suggesting? I’ll have ketchup on my bar of gold I’m from Norwalk.