Constitutional Convention Ballot Question

Next Tuesday might be the pivotal Presidential election, but an item on the ballot this year may have far more ranging impact on who is president for residents in Connecticut. Up for vote is the question on forming a Constitutional Convention, meaning that the state constitution could be amended to allow for referendum issues to be placed on the ballot by voter initiatives. Currently the constitution of Connecticut can be amended, but by a 2/3 vote of the state legislature.

In the last Constitution Convention was 40 years ago, but the constitution has been amended 30 times since 1965 without a convention.  Ironically the last amendment was a requirement that voters be asked every 20 years if they wanted another constitutional convention.  So what’s the big deal?

There are groups pushing for it and opposing it, which at best can be labeled special interests. On the pro side, you have the anti-tax groups and the “holier than thou” nuttery that want to define life by whatever doctrine they find convenient. On the opposed side you have the usual assortment of groups that prefer the status quo legislate by lobbyist way of doing things. The common thing between both camps is that they both strongly believe  that special interest groups representing rabid issues would end up in charge of the convention and alternatively, either would destroy man kind, Connecticut and any rights that have could be threatened by the pitchfork and torch crowd, or patriotically reverse whatever dastardly doing some court has decided.

Having a convention would basically enable a referendum to be placed on a ballot subject to petitioners successfully meeting some threshold of support. This would be similar to California, and it’s crazy penchant for revisiting the same issues over and over again because no one is happy with the status quo.  The only special interest that would be in charge of the Convention would be the state legislature because they get to  set the criteria for who is a member of the convention. The legislature would also determine when the convention is to meet, its rules and the subjects to be discussed. That alone should scare anyone thinking that you’d get some constitutional expertise in the caliber of delegates, but I digress.

Assuming that the voters of Connecticut say yes to the convention, and that the delegates vote to amend the Constitution and everything is hunky dory, the first proposed amendment and every proposal thereafter would still require a majority vote from we the  public voters before any change to the constitution would be allowed to take place, at least according to Article 13 of the Connecticut State Constitution.

In today’s Courant, a poll was taken, testing the waters of where Connecticut voters are on the issue:

A new poll suggests that voter alienation is prompting support for proposed revisions to the Connecticut Constitution, not opposition to gay marriage.

Voters favor amending the constitution to allow citizen ballot initiatives, but they reject the anti-gay-marriage sentiments prominent in calls for a constitutional convention.

The poll found that 50 percent of voters support a convention to amend the state constitution and 39 percent are opposed. But 55 percent oppose a constitutional ban on gay marriage.

Instead, the poll found a correlation between a poor opinion of the General Assembly and support for the ability of citizens to legislate by petition and referendum.

“The constitutional convention question appears to be a referendum on the performance of the General Assembly,” said Christine Kraus, who directed the poll.

So there you have it, the incongruous alignment of issues that will motivate voters on this issue. Strangely, no mention of property tax reform, which is the biggest challenge facing Connecticut’s economic welfare.

source: Courant, Poll: Voter Alienation Fuels Backing For Constitutional Convention, By MARK PAZNIOKAS , October 30, 2008

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  • Concerned CT Citizen

    This is ONE voter who does indeed want a Constitutional Convention SPECIFICALLY to be able to vote to ban gay marriage laws in this state.

    Since when do peoples’ bedroom activities make the determination for what is considered LAW in Connecticut?

  • Anonymous

    The whole Constitutional Convention thing is being driven by bible-beating homophobes. All you have to do to see how disastrous opening up the process to the public would be is to look at California. Right now the state is being held hostage by special interest groups through similar referendums. It wouldn’t be any different here. Let the people’s elected representatives make the laws.

  • Publius

    #2′s comment is interesting. Heaven forbid that the PEOPLE actually get decide something for themselves! Better to let our BETTERS do that on our behalf.

  • Anonymous

    Well, by golly! Let’s have one a’ them revolutions and get rid of those pesky legislator types and let the people rule! Free money fer everyone and a chikken in every pot! Yup!

  • Hey #4

    I gonna vote for Obama, he gonna put some pot in every chikken.

  • moot moot moot

    Just a matter of time before the US Supreme Court makes marriage legal between two people- any two people.

    That is what “no discrimination based on gender means” and this country was founded on a separation between church and state.

    #1 If your church wants to advise you not to marry the same gender that is your choice to follow their guidance. Why are you pushing your religious beliefs on other CT residents who do not share your religion?

    Think about it.

  • Concerned CT Citizen

    Excuse me, Anon #2, but let me point out to you that it WAS “special interest groups” that got the gay marriage bill passed IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    The “gay rights” faction is one of the biggest “special interest” groups in the country. However, their “special interest” exists only to better THEMSELVES, they care nothing for the fact that if it were left up to a MAJORITY vote in this country, they’d be standing on the sidewalks in the cold with their hands out for spare change, getting the door shut in their faces.

    The fact remains that the MAJORITY of US citizens DO NOT WANT a ‘gay marriage’ bill. That’s the #1 reason the federal government backed off and left the decision up to each state to make.

    And if the “gay marriage” bill doesn’t stand in California, it will not stand anywhere else in the country. You know it. I know it. And even more important, the GAYS know it – and that’s why they’re freaking out.

    I say, let the CITIZENS make the decision. All registered voters ought to have the opportunity to vote on the “gay marriage” question, right across the board, in every one of the 50 states.

    And that’s exactly what gays DON’T want. Because they know that the average citizen will vote them down if given the chance.

  • Anonymous

    OMG. Its…. Obama-Nation, aka ALL CAPS MAN aka Concerned Idjit aka “Air Quotes”! Tan, rested and ready, he’s back and getting ready for 2012.

    Hey, I hear Spice Bible is crewing up for the GOP primaries. Maybe she needs her very own Moe the Dumber!

  • Anonymous #9 is seeing things again, I’m not the person you assume I am, and you all know what happens when you Ass-U-Me things

    “A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.”
    –Thomas Paine

  • Publius

    #2 seems to be afraid of the people deciding something for themselves….

  • Anonymous

    Nope. That’s WHY WE HAVE ELECTIONS. For those of you who think, like Junior, the Constitution is only worth wiping your ass with.

  • Concerned CT Citizen

    Publius, you have it absolutely on-the-money.

    If gays are so certain that the general citizenry will support their gay marriage bills, then they should allow the citizens to vote on it. And the fact that gays are bringing out the big guns (a la Hollywood) in order to “save” their marriage law in California ought to tell you something. Gays wouldn’t be running so scared if they didn’t feel that such a majority vote will be overturning this law in a mere matter of days.

  • Anonymous

    Wow. I didn’t realize that gays, as a minority, had so much power. No wonder the all-powerful Catholic Church is scared.

  • Diane C: disenfranchised U’s

    The other question on ballot is on whether okay for 17 year olds to vote in primaries if they will turn 18 before November election date. No problem there. However, have they ever had a ballot question to open primary voting for us unaffiliated?

  • WRONG vs. RIGHT

    My goodness i no that a woman knows what a woman wants and the same goes for men but did we all forget where we all came from a man from dust and a woman from his ribs ,our lord made one man and one woman so that we could multiply,multiply,multiply u just dont get it , this is Sodom and Gomorrah its wrong just wrong and your going to hell for it !! Thats my opinion !!!!

  • Old Timer

    Diane C:
    You raise a good point. Some states let every registered voter vote in any primary and it has not turned out to be the end of civilization as we know it. There are arguments for letting only registered party memebers vote in primaries, but, mostly they are based on the wonderful logic of “we have always done it this way”
    The unaffiliated voters do not have anough of an organization behind them to be very effective at getting laws changed, but, if they find a few sympathetic legislators, it could happen. I have heard, in some places, it is so easy to register with a party and then change your affiliation later that a lot of people register just to vote in a primary and then change their status back to unaffiliated.

  • confused

    Can someone please tell me what question number three is on the ballot i keep seeing these signs that say vote no but for what !?

  • Anon432

    I would like to vote on citizen ballot initiatives. Some of us here have done more reading than the Bozos in Congress on the issues that they are wined and dined by lobbyists. Why not have the right to have more of a say?

  • anonymous

    The biggest problem I see with approving this is that how many people would really bother to educate themselves on issues before voting. I’m with #2, that’s why we elect people, so they can spend their time doing this so I go about my daily life. Do I really care if two people in love are united or married. I would prefer for religious reasons if it were called union and they were given all rights but that is being technical. The Catholic Church needs to keep their nose out it – separation of church and state. No disrespect intended, just an observation.

  • Anonymous

    Talk about needing education!

    The statement “Separation of church and state” does NOT mean that churches cannot educate and extort their members to vote in certain ways and for certain candidates.

    What it means is that there should be no Federally-sanctioned “national” religion. Like in England, for example – which is why the Founding Fathers injected the statement into our national documents in the first place. Seeing as how we were separating ourselves FROM England at the time.

    You really need to go to your local library and open a few history and law books.

  • anonymous

    When religion is trying to dictate law, that crosses the line. I do know where the history comes from, but I also understand the intent. But it is an issue that is beyond what I care to get into right now. It is an issue that is too hot to handle. I am enjoying the Election Day. The point is I stand by the fact that people will probably not educate themselves enough before voting on issues and will either vote on commercials or not vote.

  • anonymous

    I voted for the Constitutional convention, but I don’t give a damn whether gays get married or not. I want to have a review of laws as it pertains to entitlements for illegal aliens, the power to have tax referendums, and the ability for communities to vote on school budgets like they do in New York.

  • Anonymous

    Another thing the Constitutional Convention can do is allow citizens to vote on whether English should be the “official” language of the State of Connecticut. We certainly need THAT law passed, and the politicians are far too worried about losing the Hispanic vote to have the guts to even propose the law in the first place.

  • Anonymous

    I find it ironic that the very people who were the biggest proponents of the Constitutional Convention, the anti-gay factions and religious groups, are the ones responsible for its defeat. Were it not for them, who knows, maybe it would have passed.

    Guess they’ll get another shot in 20 years. I just pray they can find something else to put their energy toward rather than dragging up up the issue again, like Roe v. Wade. To paraphrase our new president, “it’s time to turn the page on the past.”

  • Question 1 FAILS