Gardens, Boulder and Public Right Of Way

This story made the national news only because its part of this week’s theme of people doing stuff in public or town owned space. Greenwich has wiffle ball, and Boulder, CO has a vegetable garden, the DailyCamera reports:

The squash, basil, garlic and onions that are growing between the sidewalk and street in the 700 block of University Avenue aren’t a problem.

Nor are the tomatoes, cucumbers, melons and beans. And the Swiss chard isn’t hurting anyone’s feelings.

But, Boulder officials say, the trellises and fencing material that help the plants grow and protect them from animals pose something of a predicament, since they’re encroaching in the public right-of-way.

That has Scott Hoffenberg, the man who planted the garden, mad. He said the city has threatened to fine him $2,000 a day if he doesn’t remove the offending fences.

Meanwhile, Boulder’s engineering review manager, who oversees the right-of-way, said he’s hoping he can help Hoffenberg find a way to grow his lettuce legally.

In Norwalk, we seem to have plenty of weeds and shrubs that encroach sidewalks all over town. Too bad we didn’t have a $2000/fine to impose. But we do have a $25/fine. With all the interest in saving the City money with garbage, you’d think the council members might take an interest in keeping our sidewalks clean and unobstructed and ahem, garbage free.

source:Dailycamera, Boulder, curbside gardeners spar over right-of-way: Neighbors defend vegetable-growing on public land, By Ryan Morgan, July 7, 2008

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  • Anonymous

    How about keeping the Council sessions garbage-free? That would be a good place to start.

  • dave

    I moved here 4 months ago and the street has never been cleaned. I saw a street sweeper in Sono the other day but there were cars parked everywhere so he was basically sweeping the center of the street.

  • Anonymous

    I think everyone should come down to south main st. There are mattresses in all the front yards and sidewalks.The city streets are simply disgusting.Rats have been seen downtown Sono where rubbish overfills the trash cans all the time.

  • Anonymous

    #3-call the health department. They are responsible for enforcing health laws and will either make sure that the garbage is removed or the owners of the properties can be fined.

  • Anonymous

    Zoning has given that section of the city a green light for others to destroy.Take a ride take a look at what the city has done to South Norwalk.

  • Patriot

    What the CITY did to South Norwalk? Did the CITY dump the trash, toss out old mattresses? No, I believe that would be the people who LIVE in those homes and own the homes/businesses where the trash is overflowing.

  • nwlknative

    Patriot – I agree with you fully. It is the people living there that are responsible for the trash – not the city or the landlord (unless of course the landlord lives in the buildling). It is also the responsibility of the neighors who turn a blind eye on this sort of behavior. If anyone in my neighborhood threw a mattress on the sidewalk or front lawn, they would not only have to answer to the rest of us, but the city would be called immediately. That is how you keep a neighborhood nice.

  • Anonymous

    What is it with you people? Here we have some anonymous person saying that it is the city who is responsible for putting trash on the streets. You know what name the addresses. Tell us who is littering your neighborhood. Then maybe you, the neighbors and anyone else can do something about it.

  • Anonymous

    I think the mattresses are for people to sleep on in the front yards when they are turned away from the shelter.Anyone ever been there?

  • akabi

    I have slept in a few yards in my day,never had a mattress though.

  • Anonymous

    Never said they ain’t got class, just never seen so many in a four block area.Where do all the mattresses come from?

  • old timer

    How come the Hour has a story about a Guardian Angels unit patrolling in Norwalk last night and makes it sound uneventful and channel 8 runs a story they were run out of town by Norwalk Police ?

    New Haven Guardian unit tours Norwalk streets

    http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=8665652&nav=menu29_2_20

  • http://n anonymous

    They do have a point. Unless the Housing Authority grants them permission, they have no more right as non-residents than any outside gang member. We wouldn’t want anyone on this site accusing them of showing preferential treatment to any specific group of non-residents. That doesn’t preclude them from patrolling the perimeter on public sidewalks.

  • Anonymous

    It didn’t sound like the residents were complaining about the Angels, it seems as if they welcomed them and some kids were threatening them. Maybe these kids are the ones we should be worrying about.

  • Anonymous

    its great the cops have issues, we who live here have had issues as well the cops can’t make a dent in.Its nice to see others pissed off when change is due.they are the same politicians who we need to replace.Take note of the fools who think they knew what Norwalk needed,the police and mayor had their chance to work on this just go back to the blog its been years and no change in attitude and crime just the smoke screen the officials have created changes.

    we need help and we are getting it,election time we should all go and get more done not only the streets need cleaning city hall is due.

  • http://n anonymous

    It is up to the Housing Authority to give them permission to be on the property, not the Mayor or the Police. If they don’t get permission from the Housing Authority, they are trespassing.

  • Anonymous

    If they are protecting the residents and giving backup to the police, who cares. The housing authority has been asking for help from the city just like everyone else so why would they not grant permission?

  • http://n anonymous

    You would have to ask the Housing Authority, but until then, the Guardian Angels are trespassers just like the gang members that don’t live in the complex.

  • Anonymous

    Eyes to see what our police are doing,maybe help them do it better,may even scare away a big company for the 95/7 development the city is doomed!

    Who have we decided is to blame for all this?

  • Al Raymond

    Why do we have to blame someone or something for what`s going on in Norwalk.We all know there are problems so the people need to do something to make it better.I wonder if the police are able to keep the GA out of private property then WHY can`t they do that same thing with the gangs.I walked with the Angels on Friday night and almost everyone we came up to were happy to see us people were claping there hands and some little kids came up to us and said thank you for being here.Your right next time we will get permission if not then we`ll stay on the streets.But clearly people were greatful to see some thing being done.PLEASE Mr Mayor and Cheif Rilling something needs to be done and wouldn`t be great if you guys would HELP make Norwalk a safer place to live and enjoy.

  • Anonymous

    Al save your energy five people were stabbed in Norwalk so far today Rillings and Moccia need to come clean with some facts.Roodner court is a crime scene right now 15 police officers not patrolling the city they are at Roodner Court stringing crime scene tape.Who is protecting the city right now?

    Al simply call 1 860 296 8881 the newsroom at WTNH knows whats going on in Norwalk and they are making sure everyone in Ct knows it as well.Let them know the media is needed again in Norwalk.

  • http://n anonymous

    Must be all those college kids home for the summer stabbing each other.

  • Anonymous

    Too bad none of the witnesses didn’t speak english today at Roodner court but Rillings does have a police dept like himself who can’t communicate with Norwalk residents.

    Could of been the daycare kids on early release #22 at RC today.

  • http://n anonymous

    What??!! College kids who can’t speak English in America?

  • Anonymous

    Most Norwalk residents don’t speak english or at least the ones who are cimminals or are the victims.This is what our city has become an illegal drop off mecca for homeless and crimminals the other cities hired police and employed ICE and it shows here in Norwalk where Dick was done.

  • http://n anonymous

    Danbury has a program where the police are also trained as immigration enforcement and can take action against illegal immigrants. I heard that the training was free. Why haven’t we done this here?

  • Aunt Bertha

    Danbury is not doing all that great with their immigration enforcement. Look at the lead story from yesterday on newstimes.com about Christopher Grasso being hit by a car while riding his motorcycle. The driver of the VW that hit him had been deported twice and is illegal, had no driver’s license and the judge lower his bail from $250.000 to $100.00 because his family could not afford the higher sum. Watch the bail be posted and watch the driver go back to Mexico never to be heard from again.

  • Anonymous

    Tom Kaplan from the NY Times put this in persepective a couple of months ago.Over ten thousand Illegals most of them are not from Mexico.From his article he went on to state other facts but one that struck some number nerves was this one.

    “Opponents of the plan said it would inspire racial profiling and damage the trust between the large immigrant community here and the authorities. At least 10,000 illegal immigrants — in addition to the 80,000 legal residents — are estimated to reside in Danbury, which has a greater proportion of foreign-born residents than any other community in the state, according to United States census estimates.”

    I do respect anything you say Aunt Bertha but look at the arrest numbers,the crime the amount of floaters we Norwalk have received so far from Danbury.Of course its hard to see numbers when Norwalks police and mayor continue to hide numbers from the public showing we are losing the battle on all fronts including immagration.Then again because Norwalk lacks police data that is reliable that also has been pointed out by sources close to law enforcement here in Ct we have very little idea whats going on.Maybe Sacred Heart can do a study on that they seem to have enough time on thier hands and enough Norwalk Police stationary to do another job.

    Your right about this one case,but listen to the Norwalk court,they are saying the problem here has grown in larger scale now effecting the children.We in the Norwalks school system will need to brace for other problems in the fall its a matter of time before our city has to respond to yet another wave of crime from illegals not clearly defined by our own departments.

    Now that we know the numbers in Danbury when do you suppose Norwalks numbers will surfice?

    Only time will tell what problems Norwalk has,lack of education on the part of some local officials has shown the city what needs to be done,problem is we need an election,someone to run the good ship Dickiepop someone with street savy and less arogance.

  • Anonymous

    http://video.filestube.com/video,49f2a7e44aa4182b03e9.html

    Maybe this might help of what Danbury has done the last couple of months within their city. They have video taped and put online most meetings .This is what we need in Norwalk.

  • Anonymous

    Aunt Bertha just came home and guess what we all see in South Norwalk? ICE teams making their way over the Lowe st bridge and along side streets with the Norwalk police dept.maybe our dept will learn something today.Maybe we will now read about our problems in Norwalk and what is being done.Ouside help is welcomed its finally getting through to others we need more than parent supervision to combat crime.

    Maybe we can now have our own ICE team we are overdue don’t ya think personas?

  • Aunt Bertha

    Sorry if I sounded a little angry, I have known Christopher since he was born and I am a friend to both his grandmothers. I am disgusted at the fact that the man who hit him knew he hit him and went to his so-called home and went to bed. As Chris was on the pavement bleeding and clinging to life. I am sick that he was deported twice only to stroll back into the USA with NO papers and find a place to live, work and a car to drive with NO DRIVERS license. I hope the ICE helps in doing their job. It is time.

  • Aunt Bertha

    PS If any of you out there are praying people, say one for Christopher and one for his family thanks.

  • Anonymous

    Who is Christopher and what is ICE..hate to sound dumb.

  • Aunt Bertha

    Immigration and Customs Enforcement = ICE
    Christopher is a young man(friend from Danbury) who was the victim of a hit and run accident in which the person who was driving the car was an illegal who does not have a drivers license. And who was extradited twice back to Mexico…(had trouble with the Law in Mexico)

  • anonymous

    I support the road side garden.
    It is inspiring, beautiful and produces food. We here in Boulder need to re-evaluate this zoning restriction. Anyone who learns how to raise food is making a contribution to humanity.