Common Council Meeting of July 9th

It ended after midnight. When I exactly, I don’t know since I dragged myself out of City Hall at shortly after midnight, and in no mood to ask why. Why did it take 4 hours to get through, arguably, the shortest agenda ever. Okay, maybe not ever, but its was short.

First, it was a full house. All council members were there. But, they couldn’t start at 8 PM, because of straggling. Or tardiness. Or something. They approved the minutes, Conroy abstained, everyone else voted yay without comment. The Mayor reminded the public that there was a 3 minute limit to public comments, some public even nailed the 3 minutes precisely. The public comment wasn’t the long part. Highlights though: The attorney representing the property owner who wanted a friendly eminent domain taking spoke about why it was needed. The attorney representing Curry Tire spoke in opposition to the Redevelopment Agency taking over negotiations of 9 properties needed to complete two redevelopment projects, known as POKO’s Wall Street Place and Selgison’s Waypointe. The attorney helpfully passed out a letter to the council, and then, get this public, didn’t read from the letter, but helpfully summarized his argument. To provide a helpful clue as to why reading from letters that are submitted is a personal peave of mine; I read around 800 words a minute, most people speak at about 500 words a minute and people who read verbatim from letters speak at 200 words a minute.

So, the arguments against the RDA negotiation were:

1) The RDA would be stepping in at the moment the negotiations are still onging

2) The RDA is taking the place of a private developer at City of Norwalk taxpayer’s expense

3) This will lead towards a step further to eminent domain takings

4) It violates CT law

5) Mediation is premature

6) The Council should be careful about listening to rumours about what amounts have actually been offered.

There was also some property owners who spoke about the lack of negotiations that they’ve been involved in.

Then there was the president of the the League of Women Voters, whose organization (statewide) was unable to do that open government thing and host a debate between Democratic congressional contenders Jim Himes and Lee Whitnum, stating:

“For a lot of suburban people, many people do go away in August,” Burnett said. “So we find ourselves with limited people to do the work. Our interest is in doing a very good job of it, and I just didn’t have confidence that I could get the right people.”

Ah yes, because the League of Women Voters has such an interest on how appointments to boards and commissions are made in Norwalk. The League’s position, according to Diane Lauricella, is that the Common Council should ask for resumes to avoid the image of a hatchet job. And that people should be informed that are not going to be reappointed. And that there should be at least a two week period for council members to review names of people who could be reappointed. And that exit interviews should be conducted. She concluded with the philosophical question of what does bipartisan mean when the two party heads are not consulted on appointments. Of course, Luricella could have answered her own questions by going to the city web site to see what terms are, like most of the political flunkiedom, and then she’d be informed. Even the two party chairs could do it. By golly you can do it too, here’s the link. Maybe there’s some boards and commissions out there that operate in this cone of silence vacuum that the president of the League of Women Voters alleges, but for the most part, the boards and commissions that I observe spend time communicating all the time with themselves, the public and common council members.

But naturally, the council had to debate the merit of appointments, yet again. I’ve lost count on how many times this issue has come up. And so, Krummel opines that its a serious matter that people be allowed to continue to serve on boards. Kydes questioned if Krummel spoke so eloquently about allowing Kydes to continue to serve when his reappointment on the planning commission came up in 2005. McQuaid said Krummel did not. Lindstrom said she agreed with what Krummel said. Brown asked about what the process was (because the last time she asked it she apparently missed the answer), and then they voted.

I forgot my scorecard, so my notes of arrows and Ys and Ns, oops let’s not forget Sutton’s As, is confusing this morning. Somehow everyone who was on the list got appointed or reappointed. Even the guy form Darien, despite objections that he didn’t live in Norwalk, but was an arborist and it was the tree advisory committee. But it took a long time to get through this part of the meeting. And at the end the Mayor said, “To get new people on board you have to give them the opportunity. The mayor accepts the responsibility to make appointments, like Mayors Knopp, Esposito, Collins and Zullo. Appointments reflect the Mayors political philosophy. The last election validated the appointments process.”

And that was that, until the next round.

The Consent Calendar was voted on, and the first item up for discussion was the $61k to offset fleet fuel costs.

Tom Hamilton explains that this is a year end clean up item, driven by increases in fuel costs. The city pays $2.57/gallon fuel costs, under a contract and that the budgeted fuel costs is a 10% increase over prior years line item. The problem is that the amount budgeted for the locked in price was 30% in increase of the previous year.

A little bit of the back and forth:

Krummel: Asks about when the term is up.

Hamilton: Replies that it is the end of this December.

Krummel: Says we need to conserve more fuel

Serasis: Calls Mayor wizard of infinite wisdom. Asks about idling vehicles on construction jobs

Hamilton: Under CBA, and explains fee that covers it which is about 9% for administration in the CBA.

Serasis: Suggests that the 9% doesn’t cover all the bases. Asks when we can revisit the CBA agreement.

Hamilton: 4 year contract, we are in year 2.

Bondi: As similar concern, asks if its necessary to have a car out there on construction jobs. Cites Advocate article about Norwalk being the second highest fuel consumption in the area.
The Mayor also explained that they had a meeting about fuel consumption that morning and that all department heads were asked to conserve fuel. They vote unanimously on it.

After Kydes recuses himself, the discussion begins on the RDA becoming a negotiator. Tim Sheehan explains that the RDA has been sitting in on the negotiations, and is aware of the negotiations that have taken place. He says that they have reached this threshold where negotiations appeared stalled. Because of that, and some references to state statutes, he is asking the council to reauthorize this power which the council had authorized in 2006. Reminds the council that they have final approval of eminent domain. Brown says that she just got the material today and asks more about process.

Sheehan says that the agency has to negotiate first before a filing for eminent domain, and that they would have to come back to the council for that. He confirms the time clock of doing all the takings, it would be 5 years and 5 years for an extension. Conroy asks about who is on the list, and Sheehan explains that the list is of negotiations that have stalled out. Reminds council that they are not party to the negotiations.

Krummel speaks about due diligence. He understands that the 2006 council gave the RDA power. He says that the RDA has the power of eminent domain. He wants the operations under those rules to be transparent. He confirms with Sheehan that an independent appraisal of the property, and not use the developers appraisal.

Sheehan answers how does the agency get to determine values. Reminds council that the threshold is high for eminent domain, and that it would come back to the council with documentation.

Krummel asks what would happen if the developer refuses the negotiation. Then asks about what notes are available if an eminent domain case comes to the council. Sheehan responds that the notes except those of the Ombudsman, if the Ombudsman is part of the process.

Krummel says not all facts are on the table.

Bonnenfant questions whether this is a reauthorization or a new authorizations. Expresses concern about the redevelopment being in his district.

Hempstead confirms the length of time the clock ticks with the Ombudsman and that the property owner can bring the Ombudsman to the table. Rights of the council are not being given up and that the hurdle for eminent domain was set very high.

Bolden confirms that the previous council worked hard to make sure that the hurdle was high and the level of documentation is high with the RDA.

Mayor Moccia then reminds the Council that the Stamford is undertaking a larger redevelopment project hat started 2 years ago and they are already breaking ground. He holds up a newspaper article as evdence.

There’s some more discussion and Geake makes a motion to change the language of the resolution. There’s much discussion and they decide to take a recess.

They came back hour later and Geake withdrew then made a new amendment

Bolden has a new resolution and she explains that they want the developer to negotiate fairly with the property owners and that they believe it hasn’t happened.

Straniti points out that the amendment Bolden is proposing is completely different than what they were voted down the resolution in the first place.

Sheehan agrees and says that the resolution doesn’t do what the original resolution did.

There’s a bunch of discussion about this and much confusion.

Then there’s much discussion about the language of “timely manner”. Ah time, apparently forgotten because they keep on talking, as if, this ws never discussed in committee.

Geake, Serasis and Brown are concerned about the length of time that the negotiations have happened. Sheehan reminds common the council that they have only heard one side of the story, that they did not hear the offers on the table.

And they keep on talking finally after many minutes agreeing to table the issue.

Then they repeat the whole process for the “friendly eminent domain taking.” There’s much discussion about what the IRS implications are and aren’t. Corp Counsel has to remind the council thathis office cannot rule on IRS opinions. They eventually vote, barely to authroize the eminent domain taking. Geake is philosophically opposed to eminent domain takings and votes against it. The vote comes out as a tie. Mayor Moccia breaks the tie in favor of the taking. Voting against it, in addition to Geake, is Sutton, Bondi, Serasis, Hilliard, Conroy and Krummel.

Garbage! It’s back, another public hearing. Hillard chides Brown for suggesting that people from Meadow gardens don’t have cars. Brown says she said buses don’t run at night serving City Hall. Bolden abstains and the rest vote for holding yet another public hearing, presumably for the same people who showed up at the last two, to be held on July 17th at 7PM at City Hall.

The Mayor asked for a vote to extend the meeting past midnight. The council people, icker about how long after midnight. The Mayor can barely get them to focus on the motion at hand to go for a half hour. They need it to go into executive session on a settling a claim against the city. Somehow, they manage to vote unanimously on extending the meeting. I only wonder if they were able to adjourn without discussion.

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  • http://n The Artist formerly know as Anonymous

    Has the Council thought of asking Seligson to give back something to the community in this extremely profitable venture. Like maybe the bulding and donating of a Youth Center within this development to give some healthy recreational activities to keep the youth out of trouble. For all the city is giving him in this process, it is the least he could do.

  • what a shame…

    Seems as if Lee Levey and Leigh Grant were pulled from the Planning Commission as punishment for not “playing” with the people who have the ear of the mayor. It certainly wasn’t because of lack of performance or capabilities. Both of them brought astounding depth of knowledge to the role. But I guess knowledge and experince are not the characteristics valued in the current administration’s appointees. Think about the Historical Commission. Deja vu all over again…

  • Anonymous

    #1-wouldn’t that be wonderful?

  • norwalker

    You’re right both 1 and 2. It’s the same old story with Moccia. If you drink with the mayor you are friend, if you don’t drink with him you are foe and to hell with knowledge, experience and dedication. Just protect the friends and what the good citizensand norwalk taxpayers should do is ‘follow the money’ and see where it goes.

  • Anonymous

    What goes round comes round. Knopp did it to Keydes after 10 years on Planning. And Krummel didn’t speak up back then. So much for being ingenuous, as it were.

  • RUSirius

    Every mayor is obligated to fill mayoral appointments to fulfill campaign IOU’s. It’s the way it is and it’s not that hard to understand. Mayors traditionally fill these slots with their own.

  • Anonymous

    Not true with this Mayor! This one forgets who helped him get elected!

  • Anonymous

    Did anyone notice that Ol’ Bill K was opposed to the appointment of his former District E opponent in the last Council election? So much for bipartisanship.

  • RUSirius

    Alright #7, I guess you’re right. Well, then. Remember that old adage… Politics makes strange bedfellows? Guess it does. Never knew if Lindstrom was personally hurt by her own party’s block. It’s a hard lesson, but easier learned early on before one’s values are compromised for partisan lapdog duties.

  • norwalker

    Why did Bill have to speak up for Kydes? I watched him in action many times on his commission and I wouldn’t have spoken up either. Anyway, now he’s a Common Council lackey and has more power to screw-up than ever.

  • Anonymous

    Why is it such a hard concept for people to realize that no one, absolutely no one, gets a lifetime spot on a commission. There’s nothing wrong with putting new people on, or putting people that were once on those commissions back on. In Kydes case, he just ran for the council. Maybe those who want to serve should consider running for council.

  • Anonymous

    #10 What your saying is that if you’re a Democrat, you don’t have to practice what you preach? Or maybe Democrats are immune from what they accuse? Knopp didn’t reappoint Keydes and Krummel said nothing about reappointing an experienced commissioner. Wouldn’t have dared bitch-slap a mayor of his own party, would he? In contrast, last night, he had no restraint on bitch-slapping a Republican Mayor and was all so effusive about Planning losing experienced commissioners; probably because he couldn’t stomach voting in favor of his Republican opponent in the last election. Hypocrite.

  • Anonymous

    It is clear to see how intertwined the mayor is with his good friend Stan Seligson and his other developer friends. Stealing peoples homes for private development is just wrong. Unfortunately, there is no morality when it comes to politicians.

    Re-Development is a waste of tax-payer money. Look at all of the crappy redevelopment we have to thank them for over the years. The Re-Development Agency standing in the unemployment office line would be a welcomed site.

    As far as the commissions go, it doesn’t matter what party the mayor is, those slots are reserved for cronies and political a$$ kissers! It is the mayor’s priviledge of controling and micro-managing. God forbid there was a commissioner with real experience!

  • Anonymous

    #13-you are wrong when you generalize politicians. The last council was adament about eminent domain and made every effort to make sure that properties were not taken and that every viable option is taken to assure the owners are either well compensated for or that they are given options. Taking ones property for commercial gain is dead wrong! Many of these people have owned and operated businesses or maintained homesteads on these properties that go back generations. I hope this council does not allow the work of the former council to be discarded for the sake of redevelopment. Each and every parcel of land within this area has significant value to the owners and each and every parcel must be brought to the council before any eminent domain can take place. First and foremost, blight must be proven beyond a doubt. Not all politicians are without heart.

  • Anonymous

    The developers should give money to rebuild the YMCA- not a new building, improve what we have. They should also be paying money into a fund to help fill in the gaps along the riverfront that do not have boardwalks- since they were grandfathered in…why make all new buildings build a boardwalk if we are not going to connect them…this would improve the public use of the riverfront for all.

  • Anonymous

    A teen center should most definately be a part of the redevelopment. If we want to bring more people into Norwalk, there will most likely be more kids as well. Why not make a nice place for them to go so we can be assured that they indeed have a place that will allow them not only to socialize but perhaps have a place to get help with homework, mentoring etc. There are many uses for teen centers besides just being a hang out. The Boys and Girls clubs are a great example as well as many teen centers across the country. We could do so much to keep them involved and away from harm. We want to make Norwalk a town that is progressing and this is one truly positive move in the right direction.

  • Anonymous

    That would mean someone was actually thinking of the kids and not lining their pockets

  • Democrat

    FYI-there is already a large community center serving teens in this area called the Carver Center. Seligson has been asked many times to donate to its aging structure, and doubt that’s he’s given anything significant. The YMCA is in dire fiscal staits and likely to sell some of their buildings to Seligson. Sad that they used to provide housing for the poor and now are little more than a health club. They do have daycare and after school programs.

  • Anonymous

    While I love the Carver Center and they do some really great things for the kids, a more versatile center is needed that would house 13-17yr olds for age specific functions. This should be a teen oriented facility that would cater to teens and not to kids of all ages. They need a place they can feel comfortable in and a place where they can interact with teens from around town as opposed to just one area. It should be centrally located in a highly visible area. Have a canteen and game room as well as a social area and perhaps areas for tutoring and mentoring programs and career programs. It could be staffed with volunteers from the community. Functions could be held there to help offset costs and there are matching grants available if you are willing to look for them.

  • Anonymous

    Can someone tell me how long Amanda Brown has been on the council? Does she have any clue that she has had what? 7 months to review past council actions? Why is it that at each and every meeting she says the same exact thing “Brown says that she just got the material today and asks more about process”. Is she on a different council from the others? Does she not get her materials on the friday prior to the meeting just like everyone else? Someone should tell her that the packet is delivered to her door by a city employee so that she has ample time to read it and either research the information she needs or, ask questions in caucus. Can someone do that before the next meeting please? Going to these meetings is becoming painful.

  • MGeake

    We got our packets on Friday; that is true.

    What Amanda was talking about was two letters — one three pages, the other nine pages — from the Redevelopment Agency’s attorney. Those were not sent to us until Tuesday afternoon.

  • Anonymous

    Thats fine, but what about the rest of the time, its always the same, not enough info, didn’t get a chance to read it, need more time to figure it out etc. These people are voted in to look out for the best interest of the taxpayers and are expected to take this position seriously. If you get something late, call a recess in order to go over it with your caucus. Committee business should be done in committee, not on the council floor where taxpayers are witness to arguments etc. passing notes back and forth to make someone the fall guy for a political move is also unnerving. grandstanding for political purposes is also annoying. No matter which party, these things are counterproductive to what is on the agenda that we come to see. Grandstanding and getting your name in the paper does not impress the voters.

  • old timer

    Sounds like some people find it hard to deal with anybody on the council who needs to understand the issues and not just vote the party line. Of course that attitude makes Amanda, and a few others, a real nuisance to more experienced politicians whe know before reading the material how they are going to vote. Much more efficient than all that reading, isn’t it ? Too much thinking makes the leadership nervous.

  • Anonymous

    #23-You missed the point entirely and should probably read what is said prior to making comments. Its not a matter of experienced politicians and how they are going to vote. The point here is that Ms Brown is NEVER prepared. Council people must read their packets and must understand what is in their packets prior to arriving at the council meeting. They get their packets on Friday, that gives them Saturday and Sunday to pick them apart, highlight what they don’t understand, investigate to get as much information as possible and if they still have questions, take them to the caucus on Monday and ask questions. Apparently Ms Brown has a hard time focusing on what is important and waits til she gets to the council floor to say she doesn’t understand, doesn’t have enough info etc. Give me a break, each and everything on those agenda’s are discussed and voted on in committee and Ms Brown and any other council person repub or dem has ample time to contact the members of the committeee for further information and since the dems control all of the committees it shouldn’t be hard for her to get the info she needs. There is absolutely no excuse for not being informed. This goes for any and all council people. And, as far as getting letters etc at the last minute at the council meeting, this is normal my friend. Go to a meeting and you will note that people bring and pass out info all the time. Thats what RECESS is for. If they need time to read what is given them and they need time to discuss it with their respective caucus’ then call a recess for cripes sakes. This goes for both sides. Stop doing committee business on the council floor. If after a recess is taken and there are still unanswered questions, call to table and refer back to committee for investigation. Is that so hard? They seem to have figured that out on Tuesday when some wanted to push the redevelopment thing quickly so this goes for anything on the agenda. Sorry Oldtimer but your comment just didn’t cut it and I felt compelled to comment. The main thing here is the council are voted in by voters and are expected to take their position seriously. If they find they are too busy with their other responsibilities then they should probably give their seat to someone else. Also, thier whopping paycheck makes for a huge line of takers just waiting for someone to resign!

  • Anonymous

    all its going to take is 5 minutes televised for others to watch who they voted in.Its Moccia arogance that has given the republican party a black eye.Even when the Mayor went to washington for the Gov’s meeting he was just another body attending, his drain sponge thoughts hit a stone wall no one wanted to hear Moccia’s fiction.

    Yes the attitude of some of the council members when they are defending Moccia with no logic as much as it fits the party doesn’t help the rest of us republicans out,it simply shows as a city we are friggin lost.

    Find one council member who knows the truth on how the city is running and who is playing the games with the developers and how much the residents are hurting over the lack of concern the mayor is showing and we have a four year mayor.

    What we have now is a mess and others who are in power have no clue how a city is suppose to run,plan and prepare for the future.Development,tourism and simple qaulity of life has sent the city into the crapper and has sent long time residents fleeing what was their childhood home for anywhere else other than Norwalk.

    If the politicians are waiting for time so others can forget how we got into this mess,think again most of us will carry this grudge onto the next election and find a way to bring back some decisions that these boards have made that have made Norwalk the sh@thole that its become.

    News blackouts have made the police dept basically useless and it was all blamed on Noelle Framptom the reporter who stood up to The Hour,Rillings an Moccia then went on to continue writing and reporting the News throughout Ct for the sister paper of the Advocate.Now she writes Norwalks news from a distance and doesn’t have to smell the sh@t up close coming from city hall.

    Yes the republicans and have made a name for themselves in Norwalk too bad the party has a lot of decent people in in it.Now lets find a leader who does more than cuts ribbon and creates red tape for is residenst who are hurting.

    Whats Moccia going to do if the Red Berets show up in Norwalk? TOURISM is now hurting because of crime folks not a news flash just today headlines on TV.Suppose others in the state will realize this?

  • Townie

    How does this arrogance of Moccia compare to that of Corda? I’ve seen Corda’s first hand many times and can say that it’s truly top shelf, first class, with no imitations, no substitutions added.

  • Anonymous

    Corda uses an educated arrogance Moccia does not.

  • old timer

    #24 You believe all the others vote based on a clear understanding of the issues and not on the party line, handed out in caucus, and you have the nerve to say I miss the point ? #25 is right, TV coverage will get a lot of people voted out of office.

  • Anonymous

    One would hope that they all have the interest of the taxpayers in mind when voting. But that would be quite nieve now wouldn’t it?

  • Patriot

    You WOULD hope that, wouldn’t you. I often wonder WHY anyone wants to get involved in local politics. Nobody from Norwalk has ever gone on to anything higher, although Frank Zullo tried. If they aren’t at least TRYING to do good, as they see it, what are they in it for? Of course, once they ARE in, the old egos get going.

  • Anonymous

    Many times its about power and competition. Getting elected to some is like a beauty contest or popularity contest that if they win its like a big bade that says I’m better than you are and then they find out that winning actually means they have to work and are accountable to so many that it becomes overwhelming and so they they develop attitudes to bolst their ego’s. Then there are those who truly enjoy helping others and making their community a better place to live.

  • andrew

    Hey turfie, did they put someone up to replace dick booth? I missed the meeting

  • turfgrrl

    Andrew: Yes
    FAIR RENT COMMISSION M/C NWLK CODE 39

    RICHARD STUMPF (R) (Succeed R. Booth)

  • Anonymous

    Does the owner of a illegal boarding house on woodward ave have to charge fair rent?

  • Andrew

    “Does the owner of a illegal boarding house on woodward ave have to charge fair rent?”

    Intersting question. If true, I’d hope someone would complain about it, that way it can be shut down and properly opperated.

  • Anonymous

    who knows the police dept was there today,you really think zoning would be interested its not an election year is it?Then again why would the police dept involve themselves their busy fighting Rillings and Moccia or is that crime also.Support our police impeach MOCIA.

  • http://www.answerbag.com/profile/?id=444391 SimaBoorm

    Thank you