Norwalk: Incerto House; Look Before You Leap Lesson

I’m really not sure what to make about this development. The spilt milk retrospective would go downt he path of why this house was “saved” by dissembling it and sticking it in trailers, while it’s original lot is a vacant, while the trailers attract vandals, while no discernable fund raising goes on …

Then there’s the usual self inflicted political drama, does Norwalk have a historical plan to preserve unique character and then capitalize on tourist dollars.  So The Hour reports:

 Norwalk Historical Commission Chairman David W. Park will ask fellow commissioners tonight to form a committee to reallocate $150,000 earmarked for reassembly of the Rogers-Ritch-Merritt House.
“The Historical Commission has been sitting on that money since (the) 2002 capital budget without any action. It is estimated to take well over $1 million dollars to fully reassemble house which we will never see from city budget or private donation,” Park said. “The committee will discuss over the next month exactly where that $150,000 should be spent and make their recommendations at the April 23 Historical Commission meeting. I want the commission (tonight) to approve the committee.”

At issue is whether to reassemble the Rogers-Ritch-Merritt House — whose beams and bricks have sat in storage for years — at Mill Hill Historic Park on East Wall Street. The structure, also known as the Incerto House, was disassembled in January 2002. It is believed to date back to between 1795 and 1820.

Park believes most of the $150,000 should go to fix the cemetery and buildings at Mill Hill Historic Park, with some dollars going to buildings at Mathews Park, The Norwalk Museum and various cemeteries.

He is proposing that Peter A. Bondi, commission vice chairman, and Kathryn A. Martino and Charles L. Yost, both on the commission’s Finance Committee, sit on the committee. Susan Gunn Bromley, Norwalk Museum curator, would serve as staff person to the committee, according to Park.

I suppose a comment about how no one with, oh say, architectural, historical expereince is apparently being included in this discussion. Norwalk heritage is something apparently that only Norwalk weighs in on, even though the entire Fairfield County region owes its very existence to Norwalk.

If commissioners were to vote to close the Rogers-Ritch-Merritt House account, the committee’s recommendation on where to reallocate the dollars would go to Director of Finance Thomas S. Hamilton, Mayor Richard A. Moccia, the Planning Commission, Board of Estimate and Taxation, and ultimately the Common Council for approval or rejection, according to Park.
Moccia on Tuesday indicated that he supports reallocating the money. The cost of rebuilding the house is “beyond the city’s ability,” Moccia said, and the city is running out of locations to store the trailers, which have been moved from Andrews Field to Richards Avenue to Ely Avenue.

At the same time, Moccia suggested that reassembly of the house could go forward under private initiative.

“If the council were so inclined, they could vote to put it out to bid, and we’ll see if we have some preservation group that might want to buy it. Maybe they could even find a place in Norwalk,” Moccia said. But “I don’t know who’s going to come up, with the land and everything, $1 million.”

This is actually a good avenue to explore, what privatefunding or state funding is available. I would think that someone would make sure those items have been thourghly investigated, my usual point about due diligence and accountability can be inserted here.

Last April, a similar motion by Park to reallocate the dollars failed. At that time, however, the commission included several members who staunchly supported the reassembly project.

Gail Wall, the only person among that group remaining on the commission, considers the project critical to the rehabilitation of the Mill Hill buildings and to the redevelopment of nearby Wall Street.

“This project could be the catalyst to the rehabilitation of the buildings at Mill Hill, because the buildings are in desperate need of repair and maintenance,” Wall said. “I believe that it’s a viable project. I would like to see the city get behind the project and support it. I would like to see the (city) grants writer seek grants that could facilitate funding for the project.”

Critical? I’m not so sure its a critical part of Mill Hill. Sometimes hyperbole just doesn’t aide teh cause.

According to Wall and Carol Ann Falasca, a former commissioner, reallocating the $150,000 also poses financial questions, as not all of the dollars were city appropriated — some were donated.

“If the money that was donated does not go for the (Rogers-Ritch-Merritt House), and the city decides to use it for something else, I believe the people have a right to get their money back,” Falasca said. “We can put this project back together, but we need to have the support of the city, and of course, the Historical Commission.”

And that is a very good point. And also illustrates the dangers of having  monies co-mingled in the city general fund instead of into specific organizations or projects. I would hope that someone is checking with Tom Hamilton on that as well.

source: The Hour, Historical Commission seeks to reallocate funds, March 26, 2008

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  • anonymous

    Why did the owner (who still has the vacant weedy lot) want this house torn down in the first place?

  • disillusioned voter

    The owners were a landscaping company who planned to move their business there. They offered the house free of charge and then waited patiently for many, many months while archeologists painstakingly sifted through the areas around the house and the very careful dismanteling of the building with every piece numbered and placed into trailers for reassembling. The owners then ran into problems with city permits, I believe.

    This is not a willy-nilly project and much work has already gone into it down to the line item costs for reassembling. The naysayers keep projecting the negativity because they understand nothing and are anti-preservatist, which also means they don’t give a damn about Norwalk history. $150M in reserve is not going to make a big dent in anybody’s budget, but it does represent about 1/6 of the cost of the project. Who is going to pay back the many people who donated and believed in this project – the City – from the 150M in reserve???

  • Anonymous

    leaving the trailors on ely ave is just crazy. No room anywhere else according to who?

    due diligence and accountability

    not in our lifetime

  • Anonymous

    The accountability for this fiasco lies squarely with the Historical Commission that initiated the project in the first place. How on earth can they have undertaken a project like this without making sure the political will was there to complete it and the funds available, regardless of where they were coming from? The death knell sounded when “Demolition Dick” was elected.

    People keep bandying this $1 million price tag around that is supposed to be the cost of reconstruction. Is that accurate? Has anyone tried to recruit architects, contractors, and preservation expertise to donate their services?

    What a shame that all this money and effort has been expended to naught. Not only that, it’s colossal f**kups like this that have stripped the Historical Commission of any shred of credibility.

  • Norwalker

    They should re bid the project in phases, foundation and re-assembly. Espo gave the commission $50,000 for the dis-assembly.

  • Anonymous

    So what is a feasable solution? How do we maintain the trailors out of harms way, sound like this building is approacing an early demise if this keeps up . How long has it actually sat in trailors?

    Getting donated talent for a project like this sounds good who would run this saga out of the ground now?

  • Anonymous

    Too bad, this was such a worthy project. It was to complete the Mill Hill Historic Complex. There was such good will and a community willing to raise the funds to complete it.

    That was until all of the African American Clergy in Norwalk were notified by the staff of the Hyster(ick) Commission that there were slave graves buried there. This resulted in 2 more probes of the site being done which proved these “graves” to be ficticious!

    More of your taxpayer money wasted. Funny when Mayor Mojo first was elected, his good buddy Developer Stan Seligson promised to keep the Incerto House in trailers that he owned for free. Now it’s $700 a month. Where’s the money folks?? Can you follow the smell? I mean stench?

  • Anonymous

    Stans everyones friend and that in itself will show soon when the rest of the rotten deals are uncovered. Now its 700 dollars for the storage where were those facts sitting. Its always here on the blog never in the news.

  • Anonymous

    This shouldn’t have been undertaken until they were sure that private funds would bear the entire cost.

  • Anonymous

    I want to know more about what we pay in storage. unlike Lajoies who can cut deals with the city for storage why not Grasso? I’m sure if he was asked there is a lot on his lot the city could forget about as well. I’m sure he has trailors and positive he would have room and probably wouldn’t charge us like they say Stan is doing.

    Is it even true we are charged that amount?

    Its not who you know its what you know that gets you ahead in Norwalk.

  • turfgrrl

    As far as I know no one is being charged for storing the trailers, and that the city only paid money out to move the trailers due to a change in ownership of some donated land. I’m really not sure why anyone would think that there’s some sort of money trail to follow on this, in fact, its the lack of money that has kept this project in trailers.

    It is a good idea to explore how to get the house reassembled, what grants are available, what private donations can be raised and labor donated. I would think that this would be the charge of the Historical Commission, since the project originated there. Sort of that, those interested in getting the project moved forward should work together on doing just that. Just like people who read stuff here and manage to get parks cleaned, and people talking about moving in positive directions.

  • Harry Patzer

    “It is a good idea to explore how to get the house reassembled, what grants are available…”

    Say, whatever happened to the Grants Coordinator?

  • Anonymous

    Grants are only good when they serve political ends.

  • Anonymous

    I agree #11

    The stuff we generate out here told the public the very same parks were closed due to gang voilence and tagging.It takes sometimes calling it not what it is to get some true dialogue from those who have known for years the truth. Its wonderful how this blog works it flushes out all kinds of things including the truth.For that we should be thankful.

    Developer Stan Seligson promised to keep the Incerto House in trailers that he owned for free. Now it’s $700 a month

    I guess what was said and what was asked sits on the table , who knows the truth? It would be nice if we could thank Stan for his efforts Why wasn’t that done the other night thanking him for donating so much for the house or was it and missed by our reporters?

  • Anonymous

    The Hour has spoken,In any event, it’s time to close the door on the Incerto House.

    The Hour has closed their presses subbing it out to NY. Soon the news will come from India and the phones will be answered in China and day workers will take over delivery.John P. Reilly who are you backing for the next mayor?

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Bloom reported that the house has been demolished and that many glass panels and panes were saved for eventual use at the RRM house.

    The house was on Elmcrest, are these some of the things in the trailors?

  • Anonymous

    jan 26 2006

    Mr. Krummel said there are four new keys to the locks on the trailers, containing the timbers of the RRM house, as the existing locks had been clipped because the keys were lost. He said they have made an impression upon the Mayor that he must consult with the Historical Commission as far as the RRM house is concerned. They still don’t have the plans to move the trailers out of Andrews Field to the Selickson’s property. Mr. Krummel said he has been trying to get in contact with Mr. Felix and Mr. Gould to get the estimates. It was suggested that a fundraiser be held to raise money to get the house back together again. Chairman Robinson offered to call. It was also suggested that they write the letter again. Mr. Krummel suggested that the committee meet as soon as possible

  • Anonymous

    march 22 2006

    “I spoke with the Mayor regarding this matter this afternoon, and he advised me that Mr. Selickson is arranging for the transportation of the two trailers to 51 Richards Avenue on behalf of the city. Because this is not contemplated by the license agreement previously sent to you, I will be amending that document. I will send you a revised version of the agreement for your review.”

    Acting Chairwoman Falasca said it is an agreement for $1.00. She said they are asking for a dollar amount. Mr. Krummel said he believed the amount was $250,000. The trailers will have to be put on flatbeds. They will not offload the contents of the trailers. The condition of the contents is okay. Mr. Krummel read from the existing agreement, where it said “The city’s agents and employees will be granted reasonable access to the site at all times by prior arrangement with the licensor” and felt it should be modified to read “Only the city’s agents and employees will have sole access to the site

  • Anonymous

    It’s all a moot issue now that the Hour has trumpeted its millionth opinion that it’s time to do away with the house. I bet Chris Handrinos buys it and uses it for kindling when 93 East Avenue “accidentally” catches on fire.

  • Anonymous

    Like it was said in the beginning maybe Grasso would of done something for the city if their problems went away. Its not who you know its what you know.

    So what was the cost to the city now that the gun is smoking?

  • anonymous

    who’s Grasso? What are his problems? How is this connected with the Incerto house?

  • Anonymous

    Grasso Construction? Another hidden nest o’ worms for the City?

  • Anonymous

    Nothing like Lajoies, kids are going to school can’t use the sidewalks lajoies trucks park there every morning. Tires go flat with all the debris in the street and accidents all the time because they don’t conform to zoning laws and keep thier business off the street.

    Busses pick up kids walking through trucks parked at the bus stop is not safe but then again its meadow gardens who gives a sh@t its only the place to go for votes isn’t it?

    Now Grasso on the other hand does not impede traffic flow and is not a danger to the children .

    Dick wants a enforcement officer for the zoning board but will he be able to find Meadow st that is the question?

    Grasso was mentioned in the thread because

    The trailers will have to be put on flatbeds. They will not offload the contents of the trailers.Where they have so much equipment one simply wonders if they were ever asked if they wanted to help the city in time of need.Thats all.

  • Anonymous

    Add a car and truck accident to that list for Lajoies this morning thank god the kids has already been picked up for school , how ironic there was an accident at that busy driveway entrance blocked by big trucks on the sidewalk.

    Why do the Lajois trucks park on the sidewalk making it impossible for even the elderly to walk on them? Isn’t there enough room out back on the land they have?

    Its not right for these voilations to take place every day.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s get back on topic here. This thread was about the Incerto House.

  • Anonymous

    I agree how much money did it take to move the trailors to where they are sitting now?

    How many are there? I have seen 1 2 and 4 the number how many are we talking?

  • anonymous

    Don’t remember all the details, but wasn’t the Incerto house supposed to be billed as a pre revolutionary war home that made it so historically significant, and then after a great deal of money was spent to save it, they found out that it wasn’t pre revolutionary war at all and we were all sold a very expensive bill of goods?

  • Anonymous

    Havn’t we stored it as a very expensive house costing over a million dolars to assemble?

  • Anonymous

    Can either #27 or #28 read? Start at the top and work your way down.

  • anonymous

    27 here- did read the whole thing but I never saw the part where the taxpayers were scammed into believing it was pre-revolutionary war when they pushed to save it, and how only after all the money was spent did we find out the truth.

  • Anonymous

    You’re assuming money was spent. That shows your bias against the project. You should be happy unless you think the City shouldn’t reallocate the funds to existing City-owned historical entities.

  • anonymous

    It was taken down ans stored for free?

  • Anonymous

    what was the 250,000 for? Or maybe someone wrote it wrong?

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t this the norm ask questions about money to the general public matter of public records and some do thier best to cloud the answer cloud the issue.

    Maybe the question is how much money other than the 60,000 it took to secure the house has it costs since it has been stored? How friggin hard could this question be its taxpayers money.

    Now who has made any money on since they stored it certainly seems like the next question.

    Its always tis tuff to get bottom line in Norwalk isn’t it?

    I think 4 trailers is your count another hard question to get an answer to.

  • Anonymous

    Before someone suggests, there was a search and some minutes were missing.

  • Norwalker

    There are 2 trailers that were donated by the seaport association. Even though the house was determined to have been built after the revolution, the idea was to reconstruct it as an example of post & beam construction with open walls in areas. There was also talk of making the second floor an apartment and rented to an onsite caretaker that could keep an eye on the Mill Hill property. There was $150,000 raised, not 250.

  • anonymous

    That was nice of the seaport association to donate the trailers. Was it because the house was owned by a Sea Captain?

  • taxpayer

    No one was ever scammed. As the house was dismanteled, it was found by peeling away layers that the house was more likely about 1795. Is that not old enough for you negative anti-preservationists? There were some elements in the house that showed reuse of some older pieces. This is what genuine research is all about. This house had the approval of the Common Council for 50M to take it down, trailers and moving the 2 trailers were provided free by the Seaport Assoc.,
    storage was free at Andrews Field thanks to the city, and then they were moved to Richards Ave. for 1.oo/month and then moved to Ely Ave. to another developer’s property. If any rent is being paid, then the developers who are making big money from all you taxpayers, should be called down for their total lack of cooperation while they are being handed over everything in the city and treated like fairy godmothers.
    So far, I add up $50M plus some other small charges. The money raised for the RRM was all made from private donation. The 150M in reserve by the city is still there. Nothing spent but gaining interest. So no one is being scammed here and if you had any smarts, you would keep you mouths shut unless you know the facts.

  • anonymous

    That’s a lot of money.

  • Anonymous

    I think you mean $50k and not $50m to indicate $50,000. Considering what the City regularly spends on feasibility studies for any number of projects – most of which benefit private developers – that $50k is small potatoes.

    For all the negaholics out there who feel like the pro-history community was benefiting unfairly, consider this: the golf course alone in West Norwalk, which benefits a tiny percentage of the population, probably eats up $50k in a season just to maintain the grass.

    This mayor will go to the ends of the earth to deprive the City of responsible stewardship of its historic properties. Unless, that is, you’re a member of the Lockwood Mathews board and you get a little whiny about not having enough money…

  • anonymous

    It might have been more efficient and actually cheaper to let them tear it down and build a replica consistent with that type of construction on ther Mill Hill lot.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe it was brought back up becuase it needs to be dealt with.I agree there is always negative postings on anything but nothing gets addressed unless its brought back into the public eye. For those informative posts thanks, now where from here we either want it to be built or not. Who is going to be the ones to start the ball rolling , is this anything the mayor can help us out with?

  • Norwalker

    The Historical Society had a committee working on the reconstruction. Maybe they would bring it back to life before the money goes south.

  • Anonymous

    That would be nice Norwalker once the money goes it seldom comes back.

  • Anonymous

    The Incerto house was supposed to be an example of “Post and Beam” construction even if it wasn’t as old as first thought, it was going to fit the property at Mill Hill complex and include public bathrooms and accomodate the public.

    The curator at the Norwalk Museum started flooding the rumour mills in Norwalk that there were “slave graves” buried on the Mill Hill property. It is only one of a million negative things which can be atributed to the curator.

    Now she has a hand-picked Histor(ick) Commission. Could things get any worse? Stay turned!

  • Anonymous

    So who is going to write the last chapter in this historic house? Seems only fitting it gets a burial at sea.

  • Anonymous

    Norwalker, the Historical Society was not involved in this project. The Historical Commission was. The two are not related.

  • anon

    I heard that Gunn’s job was cut out of the budget. Does anyone know anything about this?

  • Norwalker

    There were members of the Society involved with the committee.

  • anonymous

    Can’t you build a new post and beam replica house on Mill Hill cheaper than trying to reconstruct the old one?